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re: Elon Musk says it is time to leave NATO and the UN
Posted on 3/2/25 at 8:24 am to RollTide1987
Posted on 3/2/25 at 8:24 am to RollTide1987
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NATO and the United Nations is needed to curb the rapid rise of the People's Republic of China. They are our #1 geopolitical foe and while we focus on Russia and Ukraine,
So we’re clear, article 5 could be invoked, but it’s not automatic, say if China were to attack the US. Do you really trust the EU leadership would vote to invoke article 5 in that scenario? I don’t.
A much, much better form of deterrence would be to bring Russia into the fold as an ally rather than an enemy — this is what they’ve wanted all along.
Instead, decades of failed leadership on both sides of the Atlantic forced an adversarial relationship with Russia.
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Posted on 3/2/25 at 8:25 am to John Barron
The absolute fricking retards on this board. Retard arse boomers who can barely read. No offense, ya'll shouldn't be voting.
Leaving NATO would be a disaster, and almost CERTAINLY ensures america's continued downfall. This will be massively bad for your kids, and grandkids. This will prevent us from projecting power pretty much anywhere outside of the america's and japan.
Iran would likely declare all out war with Isreal, knowing we can't do a goddamn thing about it anymore, the entire ME would turn to chaos.
Leaving NATO would be a disaster, and almost CERTAINLY ensures america's continued downfall. This will be massively bad for your kids, and grandkids. This will prevent us from projecting power pretty much anywhere outside of the america's and japan.
Iran would likely declare all out war with Isreal, knowing we can't do a goddamn thing about it anymore, the entire ME would turn to chaos.
Posted on 3/2/25 at 8:28 am to Ssubba
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The money we give NATO is miniscule. What we've wasted in the past 30 years in the Middle East, Ukraine, and wherever else is not however.
Billions and billion of dollars isn't miniscule. It's always real easy for the government to spend taxpayers' money indiscriminately. Ideologically, the U.S. and Europe are no longer aligned. Let them support Ukraine themselves and deal with the Muslim horde on their shores, all while arresting their own people for daring to speak about their daughters getting raped by third world scum.
Posted on 3/2/25 at 8:28 am to RollTide1987
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We are there as a check against authoritarian imperialism and an assurer of the status quo. Without our power and influence, bad actors can rise and lead to the risk of global conflagrations that will kill tens of millions of people.
We can be there as an economic trade partner to protect our interests. No need to submit to some leftist agenda driven money grab just to get a seat at that table. America will always weild a big stick regardless.
This post was edited on 3/2/25 at 8:29 am
Posted on 3/2/25 at 8:29 am to j1897
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Leaving NATO would be a disaster, and almost CERTAINLY ensures america's continued downfall. This will be massively bad for your kids, and grandkids. This will prevent us from projecting power pretty much anywhere outside of the america's and japan
Posted on 3/2/25 at 8:30 am to John Barron
All I know is I don’t like the Euros attitudes toward us, their wokeness, lack of respect and their unwillingness to accept accountability for their own security. We have backstopped them for eighty (80) years and all they do is directly or indirectly shite on the US.
Posted on 3/2/25 at 8:30 am to John Barron
Funny watching Elon now say things that so many others have been saying for so long and people act like it's a new revelation.
Posted on 3/2/25 at 8:31 am to j1897
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Leaving NATO would be a disaster, and almost CERTAINLY ensures america's continued downfall. This will be massively bad for your kids, and grandkids. This will prevent us from projecting power pretty much anywhere outside of the america's and japan.
Explain this specifically.
Posted on 3/2/25 at 8:32 am to John Barron
Nope. Pure isolationism isn’t in our best interest. We need to be direct with our positions
Posted on 3/2/25 at 8:34 am to Bwmdx
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The UN has turned into a political extortion tool for enriching the coffers of smaller countries.
NATO exists solely for the protection of Europe from Russia. Yet, for some reason, those very same European countries have decided to not contribute to their own security and instead hide behind us. Use us and mock us. frick them.
Exactly! All NATO members are required to commit 3% of GDP toward national defense. Very few do. They sit back and let us carry the massive load, while free to throw their citizen's money at social programs and leftist ideology. Germany alone, is a massive burden on the US taxpayer. 50K of our troops there, multiple bases.......to protect them from Soviet-era threats. Time to bring the vast majority of those troops home, shutter most of the bases, and force Germany to do more for their own selves, instead harboring extreme amounts of "refugees" from the 3rd world. Same can be said of Great Britain, but I believe they commit more than Germany. Plus, they at least are the 1st to answer the call when Uncle Sam needs a little help.
Posted on 3/2/25 at 8:37 am to John Barron
“Peace, commerce, and honest friendship with all nations—entangling alliances with none.”
-Thomas Jefferson
Who is willing to argue with TJ?
-Thomas Jefferson
Who is willing to argue with TJ?
Posted on 3/2/25 at 8:40 am to ibldprplgld
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Explain this specifically.
We use it logistically for almost everything outside our continent. We would lose all of it. How you think we get b2 bombers and f22s to the middle east?
Posted on 3/2/25 at 8:42 am to j1897
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How you think we get b2 bombers and f22s to the middle east?
Absent foreign entanglements, WHY do we need to get bombers to the Middle East?
This post was edited on 3/2/25 at 8:43 am
Posted on 3/2/25 at 8:42 am to j1897
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The absolute fricking retards on this board. Retard arse boomers who can barely read. No offense, ya'll shouldn't be voting.
Leaving NATO would be a disaster, and almost CERTAINLY ensures america's continued downfall. This will be massively bad for your kids, and grandkids. This will prevent us from projecting power pretty much anywhere outside of the america's and japan.
Iran would likely declare all out war with Isreal, knowing we can't do a goddamn thing about it anymore, the entire ME would turn to chaos.
All of this
Sometimes I read the stuff these old bitter guys post and it just shocks me.
Posted on 3/2/25 at 8:43 am to John Barron
Yes. Clock is ticking
Posted on 3/2/25 at 8:44 am to greygoose
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Exactly! All NATO members are required to commit 3% of GDP toward national defense. Very few do. They sit back and let us carry the massive load, while free to throw their citizen's money at social programs and leftist ideology.
Well reduce the money we contribute, cite their lack of meeting the standards of regulation and put the pressure on them to pony up.
You don't just abandon it because it's not perfectly how you want it.
Posted on 3/2/25 at 8:45 am to John Barron
It served a much needed purpose in the post WWII Cold War era.
That era has passed and the alliance has since morphed into purposes that no longer serve the best interests of America or American citizens.
That era has passed and the alliance has since morphed into purposes that no longer serve the best interests of America or American citizens.
Posted on 3/2/25 at 8:45 am to ibldprplgld
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A much, much better form of deterrence would be to bring Russia into the fold as an ally rather than an enemy — this is what they’ve wanted all along.
I agree 100% with this. As of right now Russia is a foe but, as history has shown us, we can bring them into an alliance with western Europe. Nixon actually was very prescient after the collapse of the Soviet Union in the early-90s. He argued that we should court them and establish friendly relations with them or else they could become a problem further on down the line:
Posted on 3/2/25 at 8:45 am to j1897
No offense. You're a retard. Take off your panties and put your big boy pants on.
This post was edited on 3/2/25 at 8:48 am
Posted on 3/2/25 at 8:47 am to ibldprplgld
Hard to tell but I think you’re right. We are getting taken advantage of. So far it’s mainly by money and forgoing our own prosperity as a nation.
Pretty soon it may be the blood of our youth. The damage that Vietnam caused this country is still felt today and that was a dumbass choice by our own government. Yall don’t think it will cut deeper when it’s some other country costing the lives and mental capacity of our youth?
Call me ignorant but I believe we can still carry a big stick outside of NATO.
Pretty soon it may be the blood of our youth. The damage that Vietnam caused this country is still felt today and that was a dumbass choice by our own government. Yall don’t think it will cut deeper when it’s some other country costing the lives and mental capacity of our youth?
Call me ignorant but I believe we can still carry a big stick outside of NATO.
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