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Posted on 2/14/22 at 10:32 am to
Posted by DownshiftAndFloorIt
Here
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Posted on 2/14/22 at 10:32 am to
Bring a generator with you. Seriously.
Posted by Ace Midnight
Between sanity and madness
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Posted on 2/14/22 at 10:39 am to
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So if I go on a 300 mile road trip and the destination doesn't have a place where I can re-charge the vehicle, what are my options?



The infrastructure is rapidly expanding. I doubt you could take a major road trip using interstates/U.S. highways and not have the option to recharge enroute.
Just looking at Tesla's network, you would have only 5 options in the Dakotas, but other than that, you would have to work hard to run out of juice without recharging on a road trip.

Again, using Tesla as the gold standard, they have a built in tool to allow you to plan on how far to go before you can/should recharge, optimal battery rates at which to charge up (and what to charge up to based on your next stop) and as there is more adoption, there will be a plethora of phone based and built-in vehicle apps for other platforms to get you from point "A" to point "B" - not quite as freeform as the current convenience store/gas station infrastructure, but the EV stuff is about 20 years old. The old gasoline/diesel based infrastructure is over 100 years old. Time is going to fix that part of it.
This post was edited on 2/14/22 at 10:40 am
Posted by WildTchoupitoulas
Member since Jan 2010
44071 posts
Posted on 2/14/22 at 10:39 am to
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Now, if there wasn't an onboard, massive diesel engine to power those motors on trains, how long would it take to charge THOSE batteries? How long would they last? How fricking huge would they be?

I don't know. All I said was electric motors are more efficient that ICEs.

That said, locomotives could also run their electric motors on a catenary system when in developed areas.

Personally, the lure of electric motors is great. One of the best things about them is that they are not dependent on one type of fuel to generate electricity. You can use coal, oil, gas, hydrodynamic, nuclear, solar or wind to generate electricity, whichever is the most efficient for your area.
Posted by thejuiceisloose
Member since Nov 2018
6098 posts
Posted on 2/14/22 at 10:43 am to
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This is their plan to shut the grid down and take control


Posted by The007
Baton Rouge
Member since Feb 2022
474 posts
Posted on 2/14/22 at 10:48 am to
Imagine a College Football Road trip to Tuscaloosa. thousands of people, Your car is good for 5 hour charge. Imagine a charge takes 2 hours to fully charge your battery! What if they have 50 or 100 chargers to charge cars, How long are you going to wait to charge you car and then 2 hours to charge your car!

Stupid
Posted by Ace Midnight
Between sanity and madness
Member since Dec 2006
94811 posts
Posted on 2/14/22 at 10:48 am to
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One of the best things about them is that they are not dependent on one type of fuel to generate electricity. You can use coal, oil, gas, hydrodynamic, nuclear, solar or wind to generate electricity, whichever is the most efficient for your area.


Sure. Technically, you could hook up a stationary cycle and charge up your EV in a "Walking Dead" environment. If your car runs out of power (unexpectedly) on the side of the road, no one has to "bring" you gas. They just roll up and tap a little from their battery.

My negativity about scale up concerns should not be construed as being anti-electric as a zealot or just against the tech.

But, I'm not convinced we can/should replace all the ICEs with EVs. Semis and buses? Sure - that kind of scale is understandable. That is where most of the soot comes from. That is where the efficiency can be put most to use, at least now. National parks and places that generate their own solar in bulk, such as large municipalities in Florida and the Sunbelt? Absolutely.

But, they're pushing them on Jane and John Doe like there is no tomorrow. Wide adoption of anything comes with unforeseen consequences.

Look at smartphones and deterioration of social skills, so-called "iPosture", folks walking into traffic and into manholes just to name a few unforeseen consequences. That's a communication technology that replaced the largely harmless telephone and, to a degree, light PC function.

Imagine a world where there were just a few million EVs a couple of years ago and there will be half a billion in just a few years (now that's in lieu of ICE powered cars, so not a full on additional burden, so I focus on what's different - all that extra wiring/winding and the batteries).
Posted by billjamin
Houston
Member since Jun 2019
16749 posts
Posted on 2/14/22 at 10:50 am to
This same thread happens at least once a day between the OT and PT. They always go the same way.
Posted by joshnorris14
Florida
Member since Jan 2009
46687 posts
Posted on 2/14/22 at 10:52 am to
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So if I go on a 300 mile road trip and the destination doesn't have a place where I can re-charge the vehicle, what are my options?


If you have a Tesla, you're looking at a mild inconvenience of a 20 minute recharge for 90% of 300 mile road trips.

If it's in an isolated area, you may have to drive out of your way to a supercharging station. Or take a 110V converter and personal cable. Will give you about 50 miles of charge overnight
Posted by TimeOutdoors
LA
Member since Sep 2014
13119 posts
Posted on 2/14/22 at 10:55 am to
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Looked into getting a Tesla and our power company said the TVA grid can’t sustain more than 2 EVa on a street.


You ask the guy that was picking up the paper? That’s like saying the grid can only sustain two houses with freezers per street lol.
Posted by LSUbest
Coastal Plain
Member since Aug 2007
15061 posts
Posted on 2/14/22 at 10:56 am to
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So they are obviously hellbent on pushing these out to the masses.


Vaccines
Veganism
Animal rights ( most people have already cucked on this)
Sexual Perversion
Greenology
Hatred and division

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The overall impact on the environment has to be worse than a gas engine.


It's not for the environment, it's for death to America.
But that's a little hard to sell openly.
Posted by omegaman66
greenwell springs
Member since Oct 2007
26327 posts
Posted on 2/14/22 at 10:57 am to
This is how it is.

Electric vehicles do not yet have the range or the quick charging ability to make them suitable for road trips.

Infrastructure is being added but is lacking right now.

Cost is close but not quite there yet for all people to want to transition yet.

The lines are conversing but they are getting closer.
Posted by bayoudude
Member since Dec 2007
25843 posts
Posted on 2/14/22 at 10:58 am to
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That’s like saying the grid can only sustain two houses with freezers per street lol.


Took some digging but go on teslas site and dig around the charger installation faqs. Level two needs a 60 amp 240v breaker. Level three is ridiculous and takes 300 amp service. They won’t be able to put but a couple of those per location. You won’t be able to scale it up to buccees level convenience unless they have a nuclear reactor on site haha
Posted by billjamin
Houston
Member since Jun 2019
16749 posts
Posted on 2/14/22 at 11:00 am to
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You won’t be able to scale it up to buccees level convenience unless they have a nuclear reactor on site haha

Confirmed Buccee's is not installing a nuclear reactor at every store with their new superchargers.
Posted by joshnorris14
Florida
Member since Jan 2009
46687 posts
Posted on 2/14/22 at 11:01 am to
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Took some digging but go on teslas site and dig around the charger installation faqs. Level two needs a 60 amp 240v breaker. Level three is ridiculous and takes 300 amp service. They won’t be able to put but a couple of those per location. You won’t be able to scale it up to buccees level convenience unless they have a nuclear reactor on site haha


Why do you need a level 3 charger in your home? A level 1 charger is going to give you 50 miles if you charge over night. Level 2 is plenty good.
Posted by bayoudude
Member since Dec 2007
25843 posts
Posted on 2/14/22 at 11:03 am to
I agree level 2 is great but every house on the block can’t have two running. The level 3 is what you will see out in the road but even that doesn’t look east to scale up. Even if we get 50% EV usage our charging capacity along the freeway systems will take much longer yo catch up. It’s not as easy as digging a hole and putting tanks.
Posted by WildTchoupitoulas
Member since Jan 2010
44071 posts
Posted on 2/14/22 at 11:08 am to
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Technically, you could hook up a stationary cycle and charge up your EV in a "Walking Dead" environment. If your car runs out of power (unexpectedly) on the side of the road, no one has to "bring" you gas. They just roll up and tap a little from their battery.


If I had an EV, I'd probably keep a roll-up solar panel and my Honda generator with a gallon of gas in it for long trips. I'm into alternative energy sources. I have a diesel Yanmar on my sailboat, and keep a solar panel to maintain my batteries when I think shore power may be cut, or if I'm offshore and my cranking battery is dead.
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But, I'm not convinced we can/should replace all the ICEs with EVs.

It doesn't seem practical in the near (50-100 year?) term.
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But, they're pushing them

People need to re-learn how to resist being pushed by both government and marketing.
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Imagine a world where there were just a few million EVs a couple of years ago and there will be half a billion in just a few years (now that's in lieu of ICE powered cars, so not a full on additional burden, so I focus on what's different - all that extra wiring/winding and the batteries).

Meh, having grown up taking the streetcar to school and home in New Orleans made me a big fan of electrified mass-transit. I remember an article from the early 80s when New Orleans was considering expanding the streetcar service that mentioned one of the best things about electric transit was - no roaches. They didn't explain, or even seem to understand why, but they pointed out that streetcars never seemed to have them while busses did. It matched with my own observations as well.
Posted by Willie Stroker
Member since Sep 2008
15723 posts
Posted on 2/14/22 at 11:34 am to
If they end up having lower annual operating costs and preventive maintenance results in fewer trips to get the car worked on, then I’ll probably get one. I might even pay more upfront cost.
Posted by ShinerHorns
El Paso
Member since Jul 2021
5617 posts
Posted on 2/14/22 at 11:41 am to
Electric vehicles are for stupid leftists. I will proudly keep driving my V8 that guzzles gas. Love it.
Posted by shel311
McKinney, Texas
Member since Aug 2004
112635 posts
Posted on 2/14/22 at 11:43 am to
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So if I go on a 300 mile road trip and the destination doesn't have a place where I can re-charge the vehicle, what are my options?

You can more than likely charge at multiple spots along the way. But as of right now, if the place you're going is a bit out of the way or a small town, and you're going to be there for a few days and driving a good bit, you could run into issues finding good spots to charge. I could be wrong but I think Tesla has a plan to triple the amount of superchargers over the next couple of years, so while this will never completely go away, it'll be an issue less and less in the future.

I've been pretty lucky having traveled a bit for work, but even when I go to small towns, so far I've always been able to find at least one place I can get a charge for an hour that I can just do on a lunch break and the spots are generally around restaurants, but obviously not all of them.
This post was edited on 2/14/22 at 11:45 am
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