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Posted on 2/14/22 at 12:57 pm to
Posted by shel311
McKinney, Texas
Member since Aug 2004
110809 posts
Posted on 2/14/22 at 12:57 pm to
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It made .e realize the used car market for EVs is very different than ICEs


9 year old Teslas with batteries not under warranty are still selling for around $35k right now.
Posted by EA6B
TX
Member since Dec 2012
14754 posts
Posted on 2/14/22 at 1:27 pm to
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9 year old Teslas with batteries not under warranty are still selling for around $35k right now.


“ You can never go wrong over estimating the stupidity of man.”
Posted by shel311
McKinney, Texas
Member since Aug 2004
110809 posts
Posted on 2/14/22 at 1:34 pm to
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“ You can never go wrong over estimating the stupidity of man.”

Do you mean like believing everything you see on the internet, like a publicity stunt about blowing up a Tesla?
Posted by TygerDurden
Member since Sep 2009
1847 posts
Posted on 2/14/22 at 1:48 pm to
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They produce far more solid waste when they burn out too.


Absolutely this. Now translate this to the size of a electric vehicle.
Posted by ericberryistheman
Nashville, TN
Member since Feb 2009
858 posts
Posted on 2/14/22 at 1:52 pm to
There is a ton of incorrect information in this thread. I can only speak from personal experiencing on Tesla. This car is not for everyone but it likely a better option than most who drive ICE sedans less than 200 miles per day. I suspect this is the vast majority of drivers. People who travel for work more than 200 miles per day should wait to pull the trigger on an EV. Although it is possible (I did a one day roundtrip to STL from Nashville and it wasn't terrible), most will not enjoy the charging stops.

However, if you are a local driver, simply install a 240V outlet in your garage and the car easily charges at night and you will rarely use a charging station. Upside includes almost no maintenance outside of tires and wiper blades, pretty nice tech features, quiet ride, fun performance, preferred parking spots and lower operating costs.

My car is rated for 360 miles. Keep in mind, this rating is developed at 55 MPH and 70 degree weather. Driving 80 MPH in Tennessee winter weather, it drops to about 220-240 miles. These cars would be terrible in cold northern states for long trips.

Locally, I would typically drive 50-75 miles in a day, plug into the garage outlet, and charge for less than two dollars. That is a pretty good deal for most drivers. I think a full charge probably costs $6-$8.

As the technology continues to improve, I imagine that many fleet vehicles will go electric due to increased reliability, lower operating costs, and less maintenance costs. I think it would make a lot of sense for Amazon, USPS, Food Delivery, etc.
Posted by TiderTom
Pleasant Grove
Member since Apr 2011
385 posts
Posted on 2/14/22 at 1:58 pm to
As an old muscle car guy I have been hesitant to accept EV’s. However, a lot of y’all’s real world experiences are tilting me towards moving into this century lol. And the prospect of instant torque is attractive. I’ve seen the videos of Teslas whipping ICE cars at the drag strip. Still….change is hard. Bear with some of us.
Posted by billjamin
Houston
Member since Jun 2019
12480 posts
Posted on 2/14/22 at 2:02 pm to
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I imagine that many fleet vehicles will go electric due to increased reliability, lower operating costs, and less maintenance costs. I think it would make a lot of sense for Amazon, USPS, Food Delivery, etc.

You'll see fleets adopting electrification quickly. It's an easy sell when you spend $100k a week in fuel for excessive idling alone.
Posted by billjamin
Houston
Member since Jun 2019
12480 posts
Posted on 2/14/22 at 2:04 pm to
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As an old muscle car guy I have been hesitant to accept EV’s. However, a lot of y’all’s real world experiences are tilting me towards moving into this century lol. And the prospect of instant torque is attractive. I’ve seen the videos of Teslas whipping ICE cars at the drag strip. Still….change is hard. Bear with some of us.

The speed is wild. I drove a Plaid at COTA and the speed was staggering, especially for a big family car with shite brakes and Camry level suspension. I'm not giving up my ICE fun car, but the EVs are balls out fast and fun AF to drive.
Posted by shel311
McKinney, Texas
Member since Aug 2004
110809 posts
Posted on 2/14/22 at 2:14 pm to
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If they end up having lower annual operating costs and preventive maintenance results in fewer trips to get the car worked on
Teslas do this now compared to ICE vehicles.
Posted by Nado Jenkins83
Land of the Free
Member since Nov 2012
59609 posts
Posted on 2/14/22 at 2:18 pm to
Your data doesnt include that. I can assure you. You think china is being accurate with how much pollution they cause from a mine?

You dumb if you believe that
Posted by shel311
McKinney, Texas
Member since Aug 2004
110809 posts
Posted on 2/14/22 at 2:20 pm to
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Your data doesnt include that. I can assure you. You think china is being accurate with how much pollution they cause from a mine?

You dumb if you believe that
Even if I were to concede that, you're still admitting you don't have the data either, so you have no idea if you're right or not, you just don't realize it.
This post was edited on 2/14/22 at 2:21 pm
Posted by ericberryistheman
Nashville, TN
Member since Feb 2009
858 posts
Posted on 2/14/22 at 2:36 pm to
I still have an ICE car that I can take out on the weekends with the top down for fun. But the Tesla is a lot of fun to drive.
Posted by dafif
Member since Jan 2019
5553 posts
Posted on 2/14/22 at 6:05 pm to
[quote]I considered a Tesla but too expensive for my taste right now. What boggles my mind is that a 2016 used Tesla sells for $59000-46000. No way it holds the same charge and no way the technology is current and new batteries around $20000 will be required soon.

Compared to my Mercedes’ E350 that I paid 15000 used and now paid off for and will have for at least 7 more years, how can it be close economically

If money no object and drive local the ev is fun and cool. There are issues however
Posted by Clames
Member since Oct 2010
16558 posts
Posted on 2/14/22 at 9:04 pm to
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I think I can go to my local Lowes and buy all sorts of incandescent bulbs. Are they really outlawed or did that rule go away??


You can buy pale imitations, and in some jurisdictions they are outlawed. One American company continued to make heavy duty incandescent bulbs in all common wattages, I'm glad I stocked up on them before they ceased business. Use them for reading lamps and a few other fixtures around the house, going on 6+ years of nearly daily use for some of them.
Posted by Giantkiller
the internet.
Member since Sep 2007
20296 posts
Posted on 2/14/22 at 10:19 pm to
They're never going away, dude. They're here to stay. Combustion car manufacturers could have been more inventive, more groundbreaking. They could have beat Elon to self driving by a million years. But they didn't.

They fricked around and are now finding out.
Posted by Nado Jenkins83
Land of the Free
Member since Nov 2012
59609 posts
Posted on 2/15/22 at 2:18 am to
Im sure the numbers are slanted one way. We both know which way.
Posted by llfshoals
Member since Nov 2010
15374 posts
Posted on 2/15/22 at 4:00 am to
Pretty much boils down to

Good for people not in rural areas

Terrible for people who are

Good for people with set schedules who don’t drive a lot

Terrible for people who might have to drive 100 miles at the drop of a hat

Terrible if you need to tow anything
Posted by KiwiHead
Auckland, NZ
Member since Jul 2014
27447 posts
Posted on 2/15/22 at 6:31 am to
If this were 5 years ago I would be in the camp that Musk was a con artist and the Tesla were much like a DeLorean. But in the last 3 years I've ridden in several Teslas and driven a few and I can tell you they are the real deal.They handle as good if not better than most vehicles, quieter for sure and EVERY owner I know has had minimal maintenance costs. Tires and wiper blades. No trips to get an oil change,etc. If you like donating money to the oil company every 5000 miles have at it.
Posted by Nado Jenkins83
Land of the Free
Member since Nov 2012
59609 posts
Posted on 2/15/22 at 11:42 pm to
Comes to party with only pros. Doesnt see any drawbacks. Head in sand
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