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re: Election stolen in France.

Posted on 7/8/24 at 12:03 pm to
Posted by prplhze2000
Parts Unknown
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Posted on 7/8/24 at 12:03 pm to
Wasn't stolen.

Look at how their elections are set up with these stupid rounds. It's designed to limit grassroots involvement.

Also, people want to break up two party system, well, this is the crap you get, coalitions that fracture and move back and forth.
Posted by kingbob
Sorrento, LA
Member since Nov 2010
70460 posts
Posted on 7/8/24 at 12:05 pm to
This isn’t very unusual for France, though. The way their elections work tends to benefit the center at the expense of the left or right extremes. In this case, the center was unexpectedly weak in the first round. So, rather than the right joining the center to defeat the left, the center joined the left to defeat the right. France deserves everything that’s coming to them. Macron fumbled a winning hand with incompetence, and the left is about to double down on all of his economic missteps.
Posted by Perfect Circle
S W Alabama
Member since Sep 2017
7904 posts
Posted on 7/8/24 at 12:14 pm to
France is now totally screwed.
Like Britain, they have lived above their station for years and refuse to accept reality and the austerity that this requires. Tax the rich some more, ensuring that they will leave.

I grow tired of concerning myself with the problems of people who refuse to change.
Posted by OU Guy
Member since Feb 2022
29797 posts
Posted on 7/8/24 at 12:23 pm to
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The globalists are really wreaking havoc on Europe.


Scary part is France and GB have nukes. And might have Sharia law before too long. We are losing key allies without a shot fired
Posted by Bobby OG Johnson
Member since Apr 2015
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Posted on 7/8/24 at 12:59 pm to
Posted by OU Guy
Member since Feb 2022
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Posted on 7/8/24 at 1:26 pm to
Posted by SlowFlowPro
With populists, expect populism
Member since Jan 2004
476599 posts
Posted on 7/8/24 at 1:43 pm to
Winning the highest % of the popular vote means jack shite, though.

This sort of agreement is common in Parliamentary systems where nobody won a majority of seats (which RN was never going to do).
Posted by Indefatigable
Member since Jan 2019
37266 posts
Posted on 7/8/24 at 1:45 pm to
Tactical voting isn't new to parliamentary elections. The blue checks look ridiculous proclaiming it like its news or something they have just discovered/uncovered. Both the NFP and Ensemble made it known ahead of time they were going to do this.
Posted by Delacroix22
Member since Aug 2013
4537 posts
Posted on 7/8/24 at 1:51 pm to
WHO is importing these Africans

They didn't wander into France

They were BROUGHT

BY WHOM

Once you figure that out you'll learn
Posted by Indefatigable
Member since Jan 2019
37266 posts
Posted on 7/8/24 at 2:00 pm to
quote:

WHO is importing these Africans

They didn't wander into France

They were BROUGHT

BY WHOM

Once you figure that out you'll learn

The French have been importing them for many decades since they dismantled their colonial possessions in North Africa. The migrant issue is not as new to France as the other western nations.
Posted by SCLibertarian
Conway, South Carolina
Member since Aug 2013
42126 posts
Posted on 7/8/24 at 2:18 pm to
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The migrant issue is not as new to France as the other western nations.

It's worse. There are 2nd or 3rd generation French whose grandparents were Algerian, Tunisian or Sub-Saharan African, yet they despise their home country and the only place they've ever called home. There is no desire of many of these immigrants to assimilate. Say what you will about our immigrants, but if you meet a Hispanic baw who is an American citizen and whose parents were American citizens, chances are they are net contributors to our treasury and love this country. France is a boiling pot right now that will spill over in the near future.
Posted by biglego
San Francisco
Member since Nov 2007
84688 posts
Posted on 7/8/24 at 2:34 pm to
Another western country has just voted for its own suicide. You must have a massive boner right now.
Posted by Indefatigable
Member since Jan 2019
37266 posts
Posted on 7/8/24 at 2:36 pm to
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France is a boiling pot right now that will spill over in the near future.

Its been 70 years since they have completely upended and replaced their government, so they are certainly due.
Posted by biglego
San Francisco
Member since Nov 2007
84688 posts
Posted on 7/8/24 at 2:42 pm to
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The left is terrified of whiteness and Western Culture.


Correct. The Left fricking hates white people and western civilization. In every country, the left is the same. Always seeking destruction.
Posted by 5WFSHR
Montgomery, AL
Member since Apr 2024
2619 posts
Posted on 7/8/24 at 3:12 pm to
It makes sense for the left to import “citizens”. They are pathetic and want Banana Republics.
Posted by LegalEazyE
Madison, Wisconsin
Member since Nov 2023
6292 posts
Posted on 7/8/24 at 4:31 pm to
thejuiceisdouche
Posted by fofuh4
btr
Member since Aug 2022
156 posts
Posted on 7/8/24 at 4:53 pm to
Lol the french getting rid of their trash
Posted by Elihu
Member since Dec 2020
1418 posts
Posted on 7/8/24 at 6:35 pm to
quote:

quote: The left is terrified of whiteness and Western Culture. Correct. The Left fricking hates white people and western civilization. In every country, the left is the same. Always seeking destruction.

And yet it’s to the white Western Culture countries that they all flock to and aspire to come to. Shouldn’t all POC be fleeing Western counties for their lives? Has a self-loathing white lib ever explained why this is?
Posted by Bunk Moreland
Member since Dec 2010
68342 posts
Posted on 7/9/24 at 2:40 pm to
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It is the fourth example that I would like to draw the most attention to; the erosion of the political centre. France’s administrative state is the perfect example of Burnham’s “Managerial Elite”, not just because of the high level of administrative centralism in France (something that inspired the totalitarianism of fascism and communism), but because their ruling elites are a special caste all themselves, raised from their youth to be part of specific circles that attend the same schools which produce these same managers. Several generations of this method have created this caste that is distant, very distant, from the people that they govern. They are distant culturally, philosophically, economically, socially, and more often than not, geographically from their fellow Frenchmen and women. This distance has only increased over time, and has manifested itself in the huge chasm separating the ruling elites of France from the French people, especially in political terms.

We have seen the centre erode (but not disappear) throughout the continent thanks to the rising tide of populism, and France is no exception to this rule. Successive governments run by the centre/centre-right/centre-left have failed to address the causes of the malaise that has governed the country for decades now. Whether Sarkozy, Hollande, or Macron, the French have been unable to reform their own country in order to give it the necessary jolt to wake it up from its slumber. There are many reasons for this, too many to get into in this essay, but it is the inability of France to correct course that has seen French voters turn to parties outside of the acceptable mainstream in order to seek solutions to the problems that bedevil the country.

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RN got more than double the votes that Macron’s Renaissance managed to score. This made RN by far the most popular political party in France, a party that is very much not allowed in polite company in that country or anywhere else in the West.

This is how the map of France looked after the vote for the EU Parliamentary election:


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On the opposite site of the political spectrum, the French left managed to immediately cobble together an electoral coalition calling itself the “New Popular Front”, harkening back to the Popular Front led by Leon Blum that won the 1936 French election. A motley crew of communists, Marxists, democratic socialists, left-wing regional separatists, ecologists, and even Islamists, they charged ahead to challenge the election, with notorious red firebrand Jean-Luc Melenchon as the face of the coalition.

President Macron kept his cards close to his chest, purposely failing to inform everyone outside of his immediate circle. This infuriated many of his allies, with ex-French Ambassador to the USA Gerard Araud describing his gamble as:

A reckless decision had thrown France under the bus. The bus has come…. France is heading towards a far-right government or an ungovernable parliament. Two unpalatable outcomes.

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Macron urged voters to support whichever candidate was up against RN, no matter which party or coalition they represented. Would it work?
The Second Round
The cordon sanitaire managed to hold.

Tactical voting saw a largely three-way split for seats in the upcoming French Assembly, denying RN not just a majority, but both first and second place. Tactical voting was aided by a very high turnout:

Where it gets very interesting is when you look at the popular vote vs. the allotment of seats:

The RN-led coalition scored 37.1% of the popular vote, but only got 142 seats in the assembly.

Macron’s Ensemble got 25.43% of the popular vote, but got 159 seats.

The New Popular Front got 25.8% of the popular vote, earning them the most seats at 180.

Despite the cordon sanitaire doing its job yet again, Macron’s gamble failed, at least according to French political analyst Francois Valentin:

“He lost 80 seats and his MPs now hate his guts. He has accelerated his "lame duckisation" And if he governs with the left they'll unravel what he did over the last 7 years. This is a pyrrhic defeat.”

Translation: France’s centre has significantly eroded.

If Macron chooses to rely on the New Popular Front (NFP), he will have to negotiate with a coalition whose economic platform includes:

“…..raise the monthly minimum wage to €1,600, impose price ceilings on essential foods, electricity, gas and petrol, repeal Macron’s deeply unpopular decision to raise the retirement age to 64 and invest massively in the green transition and public services.”

This makes investors very, very nervous:


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Macron’s only hope lies in trying to peel off enough coalition members from both the left and right to form a “national unity” government, as his party cannot govern with the NFP as it is, and outright refuses to allow RN into government. The only other option is a technocratic government that would last one year under France’s constitutional rules, with another general election to follow. There is an inevitability hanging in the air that RN eventually will gain power.

France is now on the cusp of being totally ungovernable due to the repeated failure of the ruling elites to deliver a better France. This is an indictment not just of the French ruling class, but of liberal democracy as well.

LINK
Posted by SlowFlowPro
With populists, expect populism
Member since Jan 2004
476599 posts
Posted on 7/9/24 at 2:43 pm to
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Say what you will about our immigrants, but if you meet a Hispanic baw who is an American citizen and whose parents were American citizens, chances are they are net contributors to our treasury and love this country. France is a boiling pot right now that will spill over in the near future.

Well even if they are partial to Mexico, Mexico is at least more modern/Western than pretty much anywhere in Africa. So in the random events where they choose to be Mexican over America (like, soccer) isn't really going to cause a rift in the culture at large.
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