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re: Earth is billions of years old

Posted on 1/29/19 at 1:56 pm to
Posted by ibldprplgld
Member since Feb 2008
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Posted on 1/29/19 at 1:56 pm to
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There are certainly people who disagree with increased MPG requirements are there not?



Isn't the maritime industry the biggest polluter on the planet, not vehicles?
Posted by mofungoo
Baton Rouge
Member since Nov 2012
4583 posts
Posted on 1/29/19 at 2:23 pm to
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We have thousands of years of tree ring samples and 100 of thousands in ice core.

OK, let's use the data from ice core samples from Antarctica then. The Vostok cores show ~ 400,000 years of data that is cyclical, and that data shows ice ages and periods of warming. Modern man wasn't around for half of that time period, and began burning fossil fuel just a little over 100 ago.

Now, how does that data support Anthropogenic Global Warming? Hint - it doesn't. And taxation will not fix this nonexistent "problem"

MAGA
Posted by NC_Tigah
Make Orwell Fiction Again
Member since Sep 2003
138801 posts
Posted on 1/29/19 at 2:45 pm to
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Earth is billions of years old
Quantifiable climate tracking data/technology is maybeeeee 100 years old.

With truly accurate instruments being used we’ll call more like 30 years old.

Yep.

The Ice Age says "Hello".









Oooooops . . . sorry. That's Minnesota!


Posted by bmy
Nashville
Member since Oct 2007
48203 posts
Posted on 1/29/19 at 2:58 pm to
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Quantifiable climate tracking data/technology is maybeeeee 100 years old.


Mercury thermometers were invented in 1714. If you want to quibble about a few decimal points be my guest
Posted by IllegalPete
Front Range
Member since Oct 2017
7182 posts
Posted on 1/29/19 at 3:06 pm to
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It's a shame that this issue is politicized because it's interesting.


It really is a shame.

A made up Boogeyman like (human caused) global warming allows people to turn it in to a political issue. Which allows them to turn it into a moral issue. And a tax issue. And a globalization issue. And an issue that requires no individual to accept responsibility because it is the other guy's fault.

A more practical approach would be to address overpopulation, pollution, conservation, etc.

Except that would require personal accountability. And individual nations would be responsible for their own backyard, not the UN calling the shots and handling the funds.
This post was edited on 1/29/19 at 3:07 pm
Posted by DarthRebel
Tier Five is Alive
Member since Feb 2013
25807 posts
Posted on 1/29/19 at 3:30 pm to
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ice cores


You cited freaking wikipedia

You got to pull back the layers man

quote:

“We don’t believe the ice cores can be interpreted purely as a signal of temperature,” says Anders Carlson, a University of Wisconsin–Madison geosciences professor. “You have to consider where the precipitation that formed the ice came from.”



Posted by fooz
DFW
Member since Sep 2011
886 posts
Posted on 1/29/19 at 3:34 pm to
Posted by jbond
Atlanta
Member since Jun 2012
4975 posts
Posted on 1/29/19 at 3:34 pm to
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OK, let's use the data from ice core samples from Antarctica then. The Vostok cores show ~ 400,000 years of data that is cyclical, and that data shows ice ages and periods of warming. Modern man wasn't around for half of that time period, and began burning fossil fuel just a little over 100 ago.

Now, how does that data support Anthropogenic Global Warming? Hint - it doesn't. And taxation will not fix this nonexistent "problem"

So you're just going to ignore that after the industrial revolution the rate of temperature change FAR exceeds that any other time period during those 400,000 years?
Posted by jbond
Atlanta
Member since Jun 2012
4975 posts
Posted on 1/29/19 at 3:36 pm to
No link?
Posted by VOR
New Orleans
Member since Apr 2009
68788 posts
Posted on 1/29/19 at 3:39 pm to
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Quantifiable climate tracking data/technology is maybeeeee 100 years old.

With truly accurate instruments being used we’ll call more like 30 years old.



The methodology and technology is better than you suggest.
Posted by jbond
Atlanta
Member since Jun 2012
4975 posts
Posted on 1/29/19 at 3:50 pm to
Posted by ChineseBandit58
Pearland, TX
Member since Aug 2005
49517 posts
Posted on 1/29/19 at 4:01 pm to
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I'm going to be honest, I don't know the answer.


nor do i - I have no expertise in the area at all.

I do have some expertise with modeling = and I know how sensitive the results of a model are to the initial condition data fed into it - and even more familiar with the concept of messing with some parameter within the model to achieve the desired result.
Posted by Undertow
Member since Sep 2016
9134 posts
Posted on 1/29/19 at 4:07 pm to
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Mother earth doesn't give a rats arse about us humans and she will be here supporting life after our specialized azzes are gone to the fossil record.


True, barring some huge solar flare or asteroid obliterating Earth.
Posted by DarthRebel
Tier Five is Alive
Member since Feb 2013
25807 posts
Posted on 1/29/19 at 4:32 pm to
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No link?


Yup, I got a link. However based off your recent postings I have noticed you to be a lazy arse, so I am not helping you.

Seriously though, do some real research on it.
Posted by DarthRebel
Tier Five is Alive
Member since Feb 2013
25807 posts
Posted on 1/29/19 at 4:34 pm to
Picture of 22,000 years of a 4.5 billion year old planet.

It is really cute and nice. Dang you all are some "now" people.
Posted by Parmen
Member since Apr 2016
18317 posts
Posted on 1/29/19 at 4:42 pm to
Earth is about 6,000 to 10,000 years old
Posted by EA6B
TX
Member since Dec 2012
14754 posts
Posted on 1/29/19 at 4:43 pm to
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Mercury thermometers were invented in 1714. If you want to quibble about a few decimal points be my guest


If as we are being told, one or two tenths of a degree increase in global temperature per year over a few decades will lead to our extinction a few decimal places would be something to quibble about.
This post was edited on 1/29/19 at 4:44 pm
Posted by PsychTiger
Member since Jul 2004
109220 posts
Posted on 1/29/19 at 5:59 pm to
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Mother earth doesn't give a rats arse about us humans and she will be here supporting life after our specialized azzes are gone to the fossil record.


I wonder which species will be using us for oil?
Posted by awestruck
Member since Jan 2015
14593 posts
Posted on 1/29/19 at 6:10 pm to
* I said there were good arguments - but his was an embarrassment - so why the partial rebuttal?

And yours.... well it's also chock full of illogical assumptions. I've never (ever) supported carbon credit's or any type climate-tax. Cyclic yes! But I didn't claim it proved anything. In fact I didn't show any support.

I'm for clean air - clean water - and a cleaner environment. And the hoopla over global warming is counter to that. It's a way for polluters to misdirect the issue. It's like a thief crying fire so he can rob the place blind while everyone is running around in fear. To me many polluters have conveniently jumped on this issue as a way to avoid their environmental responsibilities, by mis-framing the argument through association with something much harder to prove. I see environmental concers as responsibilities erroneously lumped together with global-warming by those who want-need-or-hope to avoid similar but definitely proven problems.

Hint: not every issue is pro or con to your way of thinking.. It's unfortunate the environment has become a Dem-Rep issue when it should be everyone's and one reason why I'm an Independent (it's a flaw in the 2party process).




* 4d'record - American has always been great was before MAGA and will still be after!

This post was edited on 1/29/19 at 6:31 pm
Posted by Skeezer
Member since Apr 2017
2296 posts
Posted on 1/29/19 at 6:11 pm to
Well you can tell what the weather was like millions of years ago by many different methods.
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