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Posted on 1/29/19 at 2:23 pm to awestruck
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We have thousands of years of tree ring samples and 100 of thousands in ice core.
OK, let's use the data from ice core samples from Antarctica then. The Vostok cores show ~ 400,000 years of data that is cyclical, and that data shows ice ages and periods of warming. Modern man wasn't around for half of that time period, and began burning fossil fuel just a little over 100 ago.
Now, how does that data support Anthropogenic Global Warming? Hint - it doesn't. And taxation will not fix this nonexistent "problem"
MAGA
Posted on 1/29/19 at 2:45 pm to MileHighDraw
quote:Yep.
Earth is billions of years old
Quantifiable climate tracking data/technology is maybeeeee 100 years old.
With truly accurate instruments being used we’ll call more like 30 years old.
The Ice Age says "Hello".
Oooooops . . . sorry. That's Minnesota!
Posted on 1/29/19 at 2:58 pm to MileHighDraw
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Quantifiable climate tracking data/technology is maybeeeee 100 years old.
Mercury thermometers were invented in 1714. If you want to quibble about a few decimal points be my guest
Posted on 1/29/19 at 3:06 pm to Tiger985
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It's a shame that this issue is politicized because it's interesting.
It really is a shame.
A made up Boogeyman like (human caused) global warming allows people to turn it in to a political issue. Which allows them to turn it into a moral issue. And a tax issue. And a globalization issue. And an issue that requires no individual to accept responsibility because it is the other guy's fault.
A more practical approach would be to address overpopulation, pollution, conservation, etc.
Except that would require personal accountability. And individual nations would be responsible for their own backyard, not the UN calling the shots and handling the funds.
This post was edited on 1/29/19 at 3:07 pm
Posted on 1/29/19 at 3:30 pm to jbond
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ice cores
You cited freaking wikipedia
You got to pull back the layers man
quote:
“We don’t believe the ice cores can be interpreted purely as a signal of temperature,” says Anders Carlson, a University of Wisconsin–Madison geosciences professor. “You have to consider where the precipitation that formed the ice came from.”
Posted on 1/29/19 at 3:34 pm to mofungoo
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OK, let's use the data from ice core samples from Antarctica then. The Vostok cores show ~ 400,000 years of data that is cyclical, and that data shows ice ages and periods of warming. Modern man wasn't around for half of that time period, and began burning fossil fuel just a little over 100 ago.
Now, how does that data support Anthropogenic Global Warming? Hint - it doesn't. And taxation will not fix this nonexistent "problem"
So you're just going to ignore that after the industrial revolution the rate of temperature change FAR exceeds that any other time period during those 400,000 years?
Posted on 1/29/19 at 3:39 pm to MileHighDraw
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Quantifiable climate tracking data/technology is maybeeeee 100 years old.
With truly accurate instruments being used we’ll call more like 30 years old.
The methodology and technology is better than you suggest.
Posted on 1/29/19 at 4:01 pm to aTmTexas Dillo
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I'm going to be honest, I don't know the answer.
nor do i - I have no expertise in the area at all.
I do have some expertise with modeling = and I know how sensitive the results of a model are to the initial condition data fed into it - and even more familiar with the concept of messing with some parameter within the model to achieve the desired result.
Posted on 1/29/19 at 4:07 pm to aTmTexas Dillo
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Mother earth doesn't give a rats arse about us humans and she will be here supporting life after our specialized azzes are gone to the fossil record.
True, barring some huge solar flare or asteroid obliterating Earth.
Posted on 1/29/19 at 4:32 pm to jbond
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No link?
Yup, I got a link. However based off your recent postings I have noticed you to be a lazy arse, so I am not helping you.
Seriously though, do some real research on it.
Posted on 1/29/19 at 4:34 pm to jbond
Picture of 22,000 years of a 4.5 billion year old planet.
It is really cute and nice. Dang you all are some "now" people.
It is really cute and nice. Dang you all are some "now" people.
Posted on 1/29/19 at 4:42 pm to MileHighDraw
Earth is about 6,000 to 10,000 years old
Posted on 1/29/19 at 4:43 pm to bmy
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Mercury thermometers were invented in 1714. If you want to quibble about a few decimal points be my guest
If as we are being told, one or two tenths of a degree increase in global temperature per year over a few decades will lead to our extinction a few decimal places would be something to quibble about.
This post was edited on 1/29/19 at 4:44 pm
Posted on 1/29/19 at 5:59 pm to aTmTexas Dillo
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Mother earth doesn't give a rats arse about us humans and she will be here supporting life after our specialized azzes are gone to the fossil record.
I wonder which species will be using us for oil?
Posted on 1/29/19 at 6:10 pm to mofungoo
* I said there were good arguments - but his was an embarrassment - so why the partial rebuttal?
And yours.... well it's also chock full of illogical assumptions. I've never (ever) supported carbon credit's or any type climate-tax. Cyclic yes! But I didn't claim it proved anything. In fact I didn't show any support.
I'm for clean air - clean water - and a cleaner environment. And the hoopla over global warming is counter to that. It's a way for polluters to misdirect the issue. It's like a thief crying fire so he can rob the place blind while everyone is running around in fear. To me many polluters have conveniently jumped on this issue as a way to avoid their environmental responsibilities, by mis-framing the argument through association with something much harder to prove. I see environmental concers as responsibilities erroneously lumped together with global-warming by those who want-need-or-hope to avoid similar but definitely proven problems.
Hint: not every issue is pro or con to your way of thinking.. It's unfortunate the environment has become a Dem-Rep issue when it should be everyone's and one reason why I'm an Independent (it's a flaw in the 2party process).
* 4d'record - American has always been great
was before MAGA and will still be after!
And yours.... well it's also chock full of illogical assumptions. I've never (ever) supported carbon credit's or any type climate-tax. Cyclic yes! But I didn't claim it proved anything. In fact I didn't show any support.
I'm for clean air - clean water - and a cleaner environment. And the hoopla over global warming is counter to that. It's a way for polluters to misdirect the issue. It's like a thief crying fire so he can rob the place blind while everyone is running around in fear. To me many polluters have conveniently jumped on this issue as a way to avoid their environmental responsibilities, by mis-framing the argument through association with something much harder to prove. I see environmental concers as responsibilities erroneously lumped together with global-warming by those who want-need-or-hope to avoid similar but definitely proven problems.
Hint: not every issue is pro or con to your way of thinking.. It's unfortunate the environment has become a Dem-Rep issue when it should be everyone's and one reason why I'm an Independent (it's a flaw in the 2party process).
* 4d'record - American has always been great
This post was edited on 1/29/19 at 6:31 pm
Posted on 1/29/19 at 6:11 pm to MileHighDraw
Well you can tell what the weather was like millions of years ago by many different methods.
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