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re: Dr. Steve Turley with a really good video that explains the FTX corruption.

Posted on 11/17/22 at 11:24 am to
Posted by Harry Rex Vonner
Foggy Bottom Law School
Member since Nov 2013
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Posted on 11/17/22 at 11:24 am to
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I guess the part I'm confused about is how Ukraine routed US aid into FTX that then was backdoored to Dems and Rinos.



"US aid" is sent to countries who promise to use that very money to buy weapons from NATO (American) military industrial complex companies.

Ask yourself if you know where that money goes once it is collected into MIC company coffers. Ask yourself that.
Posted by cwill
Member since Jan 2005
54755 posts
Posted on 11/17/22 at 11:36 am to
From new ftx CEO, installed for the cleanup:



SBF is going to jail, but the hedge funds and investment groups that put money into this need to be sued into oblivion by their clients. The lack of due diligence by these groups over the last 10, 20 years is bordering on criminal.
Posted by riccoar
Arkansas
Member since Mar 2006
5132 posts
Posted on 11/17/22 at 11:37 am to
Here come the "Defend Democratic Groomers" crowd.

If money for Ukraine went to anything other than the war effort, it's fraud.

How about we American's just ask for a full transparent audit of the entire $90 plus billion sent to Ukraine thus far?

I'm willing to bet that a large portion didn't go to tanks and guns. They have still never located or said where the billions of US Funds that were deposited into Privat bank went.
Posted by deathvalleytiger10
Member since Sep 2009
9283 posts
Posted on 11/17/22 at 11:43 am to
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No evidence of this,


You don't know this at all. You speculate and talk as if this is a known fact.
Posted by cwill
Member since Jan 2005
54755 posts
Posted on 11/17/22 at 11:47 am to
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You don't know this at all. You speculate and talk as if this is a known fact.


He’s discussing current known facts, of which none evidence the laundering you want to exist.
Posted by SlowFlowPro
With populists, expect populism
Member since Jan 2004
477231 posts
Posted on 11/17/22 at 11:47 am to
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Were people really doing this - as in we are talking significant sums of money?

That's nuts to me.

I think they raised like $75-100M.

That's worldwide donations, so not THAT much.
Posted by SlowFlowPro
With populists, expect populism
Member since Jan 2004
477231 posts
Posted on 11/17/22 at 11:50 am to
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If money for Ukraine went to anything other than the war effort, it's fraud.

Yeah no shite.

What does that have to do with FTX accepting private donations for charity to Ukraine?
Posted by Y.A. Tittle
Member since Sep 2003
110968 posts
Posted on 11/17/22 at 11:50 am to
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I think they raised like $75-100M.

That's worldwide donations, so not THAT much.



For something so completely nebulous, I would say it's a huge sum.
Posted by SingleMalt1973
Member since Feb 2022
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Posted on 11/17/22 at 11:50 am to


Posted by SlowFlowPro
With populists, expect populism
Member since Jan 2004
477231 posts
Posted on 11/17/22 at 11:50 am to
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You don't know this at all. You speculate and talk as if this is a known fact.

Would it make you feel better if I say "no public evidence of this" moving forward?
Posted by deathvalleytiger10
Member since Sep 2009
9283 posts
Posted on 11/17/22 at 11:55 am to
My point is SFP's speculation is no different than those that believe something is occurring.

However, anyone with a rational brain can deduct that some major BS is ongoing with the Ukraine and how the Dems(that are almost always against war) are so much in favor of sending dollar after dollar for "as long as it takes".

Does that not sound some alarms in your brain?
Posted by SlowFlowPro
With populists, expect populism
Member since Jan 2004
477231 posts
Posted on 11/17/22 at 11:57 am to
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My point is SFP's speculation is no different than those that believe something is occurring.

No it's a lot different.

People are making a conspiracy theory based on allegations that have no evidence. If the evidence doesn't exist, the CT dies.

I'm asking for that evidence. I'm happy if it doesn't exist b/c that's reality. If it does exist, cool, then we can evaluate it.
Posted by cwill
Member since Jan 2005
54755 posts
Posted on 11/17/22 at 11:58 am to
He’s talking about ftx in a thread about ftx…the available facts are straight forward.
Posted by Harry Rex Vonner
Foggy Bottom Law School
Member since Nov 2013
50542 posts
Posted on 11/17/22 at 12:13 pm to
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of which none evidence the laundering you want to exist




missing fricktillions of dollars is evidence of laundering
Posted by bigblake
Member since Jun 2011
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Posted on 11/17/22 at 12:19 pm to
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This post was edited on 9/3/23 at 5:03 pm
Posted by KAGTASTIC
Member since Feb 2022
7989 posts
Posted on 11/17/22 at 12:40 pm to
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Oh. What a relief. Only a little bit of corruption.


It's the govt money to planned parenthood scheme. "oh it's not illegal because we aren't technically using on abortions"
Posted by cwill
Member since Jan 2005
54755 posts
Posted on 11/17/22 at 12:40 pm to
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missing fricktillions of dollars is evidence of laundering


Assuming you’re referring to ftx, which is the topic of this thread, the missing billions currently appears to be the result of massive fraud and in some cases straight up misappropriation, not laundering.
Posted by SlowFlowPro
With populists, expect populism
Member since Jan 2004
477231 posts
Posted on 11/17/22 at 12:41 pm to
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It's the govt money to

How does that work with private donations?
Posted by Harry Rex Vonner
Foggy Bottom Law School
Member since Nov 2013
50542 posts
Posted on 11/17/22 at 12:44 pm to
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the missing billions currently appears to be the result of massive fraud and in some cases straight up misappropriation, not laundering.






misappropriation is fraud

laundering is fraud

Posted by JJJimmyJimJames
Southern States
Member since May 2020
18496 posts
Posted on 11/17/22 at 12:46 pm to
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Ftx had nothing to do with us gov aid.
highly unlikely.

and out of $15 billion there was likely far MORE in these movements of cash..


and

we do not even have to say who did it, right?

Full criminal investigation by bipartisan independent investigators and auditors; the government should have no more than a passing involvement with THESE crimes.

Too many criminals in too many various juxtapositions. Too much chance for the chickens guarding the henhouse/ops
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