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re: Dr Jared Diamond predicts there's 50-50 chance civilization crumbles in the next 25 years
Posted on 9/27/26 at 8:18 am to SlowFlowPro
Posted on 9/27/26 at 8:18 am to SlowFlowPro
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Between 2008 and 2026 is the best time to be a human on earth.
I’d choose 75 - 95
Posted on 9/27/26 at 8:22 am to lsusteve1
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I’d choose 75 - 95
Posted on 9/27/26 at 8:50 am to el Gaucho
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Civilizational collapse is every millenials dream
Of course it is. They were all raised on those dystopian future books like The Hunger Games, Dauntless, and the Maze Runner.
Posted on 9/27/26 at 9:01 am to Bunk Moreland
As for feeding the masses, every person on Earth could fit within the boundaries of Texas a thousand feet apart.
We have political problems, not resource problems.
We have political problems, not resource problems.
Posted on 9/27/26 at 9:03 am to Hondo Blacksheep
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We have political problems, not resource problems.
There ARE resource issues, specifically fish and petro.
Humans avoid these catastrophes by figuring out ways to extend resources. We are doing that with petro by finding new ways to extract and process it, but eventually we will run out.
Fisheries is scary. I don't know how we fix that without population decline, but I'm sure it can be done with coordination among nations (that's a separate problem of "globalism" though)
Posted on 9/27/26 at 9:18 am to Placekicker
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They were all raised on those dystopian future books like The Hunger Games, Dauntless, and the Maze Runner.
You’re off by like 10 years
These are late Gen Z era
Posted on 9/27/26 at 10:23 am to L.A.
Sounds like the rest of the world needs to do better.
Posted on 9/27/26 at 10:58 am to L.A.
Another crisis monger's invention. Maybe it fills the vacuum left by the decline of "climate change and global warming."
Short of a Carrington Event or nuclear war, the limits to growth thing won't happen.
Short of a Carrington Event or nuclear war, the limits to growth thing won't happen.
Posted on 9/27/26 at 11:18 am to Hondo Blacksheep
The issue is not available land. I have heard that argument many times about fitting everyone into Texas. The issue is we feed the planet by pouring fossil fuel based fertilizers on land -- not to mention using fossil fuel based pesticides and fossil fuel powered equipment to move everything around. We essentially eat fossil fuels. When they go into decline, we are not going to be able to feed everyone.
Posted on 9/27/26 at 11:19 am to Bunk Moreland
Don't research decline in necessary fisheries and the potential collapse of the ocean food chain 
Posted on 9/27/26 at 11:21 am to L.A.
quote:That ship has sailed. Been whittling away at it since 1966 and LBJ.
Dr Jared Diamond predicts there's 50-50 chance civilization crumbles in the next 25 years
Posted on 9/27/26 at 11:46 am to Hondo Blacksheep
I laugh when I read the feeding the masses argument. Hunger has a way of making people productive.
Posted on 9/27/26 at 11:48 am to UtahCajun
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The 80's were awesome, even though we were in the midst of the cold war and the threat of an ELE was much more real than anything we have going on today.
Yeah, but in the 80s you weren't CONSTANTLY bombarded with doomsday narratives.
I get why SFP says that between 2008 and today is the best time to be a human on this planet.
But we're also living at a time when communications technology has outkicked our psychological coverage. We're living better than ever, but everyone is still full of anxiety all the time because of the narratives people are constantly exposed to.
The rate of depression in 1970 was 5%. Now it's 13.1% for the general population and for some demographics (younger people mostly) it's as high as 26%.
Yeah, we were in more danger in the 70s and 80s. But mostly people didn't think about it because they weren't inundated with it.
This post was edited on 9/27/26 at 11:49 am
Posted on 9/27/26 at 11:53 am to L.A.
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Dr Jared Diamond predicts there's 50-50 chance civilization crumbles in the next 25 years
That’s like predicting a house will burn down that’s already on fire.
Posted on 9/27/26 at 2:32 pm to L.A.
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Dr Jared Diamond predicts there's 50-50 chance civilization crumbles in the next 25 years
OH NO!!!
Expert-Textpert "Dr." predicts the end of the world.
This has NEVER happened before...wait who is Chicken Little again?
Posted on 9/27/26 at 2:36 pm to wackatimesthree
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I get why SFP says that between 2008 and today is the best time to be a human on this planet.
You have to also understand that says "human on the planet" not "upper middle class in America"
Life has gotten a LOT better for the third world/developing nations since the 90s
Posted on 9/28/26 at 5:15 am to el Gaucho
Society won't collapse, it will adapt, but that adaptation may be extremely messy.
If resources essential to survive become extremely scarce you're going to see a huge surge in territorial wars and places that rely solely on handouts will be left to fend for themselves.
If resources essential to survive become extremely scarce you're going to see a huge surge in territorial wars and places that rely solely on handouts will be left to fend for themselves.
This post was edited on 9/28/26 at 5:17 am
Posted on 9/28/26 at 11:40 pm to SlowFlowPro
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You have to also understand that says "human on the planet" not "upper middle class in America"
O.k., but what I posted doesn't just apply to upper middle class in America. It applies to almost every socioeconomic class in almost every developed country in the world.
I get that even through that lens we're still only talking about 17% of the world, but that 17% is what has created the technology that has directly led to the improvement for the other 83% (and ironically, to the mental poisoning of the 17% itself).
I often post that I think populism is what is going to be the downfall of western civilization, and I stand by that. Eventually people are going to become so divorced from reality and paranoid and convinced of impending disaster that they will create it themselves.
But it's the communications tech that feeds and grows the populism. And it's about to get a whole lot worse once AI gets to a certain level.
Posted on 9/29/26 at 12:40 am to L.A.
It needs to happen, it’s the natural cycle of earth. It will lead to world war.
Posted on 9/29/26 at 3:26 am to L.A.
In my opinion, either it will, or it won’t lol
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