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re: Dollar General Employee Charged With Manslaughter After Killing Armed Robber in LA
Posted on 1/9/23 at 11:58 am to djmed
Posted on 1/9/23 at 11:58 am to djmed
As for the robber being killed good riddance to bad rubbish one less thug in this world. Now the bystander being shot in the process I could understand the clerk being charged for that still though criminals are more taken care of in this world than law abiding citizens soon you won't even be able to criticize a criminal A.K.A future Democrat voter.
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Posted on 1/9/23 at 11:58 am to AggieHank86
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Prediction: This thread will devolve into name-calling
Not exactly a bold prediction
Even the most civil threads on this board devolve into name calling before the end of page one.
Posted on 1/9/23 at 12:30 pm to AggieHank86
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I outlined WHY the law historically has not allowed one person to unilaterally kill another person for theft.
What if the "stuff" was a horse? And let's not restrict that to the Old West. The hanging of horse thieves goes back to the ancient Gauls at the least.
Posted on 1/9/23 at 12:32 pm to SlowFlowPro
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If you are ever in a position to rely on self defense, it's not a good idea to shoot the aggressor in the back while he/she flees.
It doesn't automatically screw you, but you can get convicted. Remember that incident in Oklahoma (IIRC) a few years ago?
Which sucks because even if you aren't defending yourself you're likely defending someone else
It's not as if it's unheard of that the guy is going to immediately go attempt to rob someone else
Posted on 1/9/23 at 12:37 pm to djmed
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an innocent bystander
There are lots of rumors about this case floating around Monroe including that this "innocent bystander" was with the robber and that the shooter knew one or both of them. At this point I'd say that it's more than rumor that the shooter closed up the store and went home without calling the police. I wouldn't take too much of a position on this one just yet, there seem to be plot twists incoming.
Posted on 1/9/23 at 1:23 pm to SlowFlowPro
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it's not a good idea to shoot the aggressor in the back while he/she flees.
Did the aggressor notify everybody, "hey i'm done and leaving now." If a threat is still in the vicinity to cause bodily harm then you should have a right to protect yourself. How is the employee to know that the perp wouldn't come back towards them?
Posted on 1/9/23 at 1:36 pm to shinerfan
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There are lots of rumors about this case floating around Monroe including that this "innocent bystander" was with the robber and that the shooter knew one or both of them.
Oh how the turntables!
Posted on 1/9/23 at 2:34 pm to AggieHank86
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The underlying legal presumption is that a human life is worth more than "stuff."
Apparently the armed robber didn't agree; he risked his life and the lives of others for that "stuff".
Posted on 1/9/23 at 2:54 pm to SlowFlowPro
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Remember that incident in Oklahoma (IIRC) a few years ago?
The big brains on the OT told me that case has nothing to do with the Taqueria Shootout in HTX where the dude grabbed the gun the perp had and then put an execution style shot in the back of the perp who was already incapacitated on the ground.
You have a right to neutralize the threat not execute people in the streets.
Posted on 1/9/23 at 3:00 pm to djmed
Vote Democrat, get Democrats
Posted on 1/9/23 at 3:01 pm to dat yat
quote:Somehow, I doubt that he was well-versed in legal philosophy or jurisprudence.quote:Apparently the armed robber didn't agree; he risked his life and the lives of others for that "stuff".
The underlying legal presumption is that a human life is worth more than "stuff."
But, who knows? Perhaps he was a well-read savant.
Or perhaps you are suggesting that we should run our judicial system based upon the practices of gang justice.
This post was edited on 1/9/23 at 3:04 pm
Posted on 1/9/23 at 3:01 pm to jclem11
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You have a right to neutralize the threat not execute people in the streets.
Shooting the perp is the only way to guarantee the threat is neutralized.
I'm not risking being overpowered by some psycho dumb enough to commit armed robbery just because some armchair QB thinks I should have police training.
Posted on 1/9/23 at 3:06 pm to imjustafatkid
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Shooting the perp is the only way to guarantee the threat is neutralized.
Depends on state law in regards to self defense. In general you are only legally allowed to use proportionate force; you are not legally permitted to execute people in the streets.
But go ahead and employ your FAFO strategy and end up in the defense chair fighting a murder charge.
I am pro self defense but you must educate yourself on the laws of your jurisdiction so you act within those bounds and don't end up convicted.
Posted on 1/9/23 at 3:34 pm to djmed
I volunteer to take any jurors seat who doesn't want to be there.
Posted on 1/9/23 at 3:44 pm to jclem11
quote:A significant number of second amendment zealots seem to believe that the second amendment means criminal laws do not apply to them.
I am pro self defense but you must educate yourself on the laws of your jurisdiction so you act within those bounds and don't end up convicted.
If you really want to live in a place where you are allowed to shoot and kill anyone who takes your stuff, I hear there are some very nice locales available in the Middle East and Africa.
This post was edited on 1/9/23 at 3:48 pm
Posted on 1/9/23 at 3:45 pm to AggieHank86
You are either a damn good troll or the biggest POS on this site right now. And that's saying a lot.
Posted on 1/9/23 at 3:46 pm to jclem11
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You have a right to neutralize the threat
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execute
Threat mf'n neutralized.
Posted on 1/9/23 at 4:02 pm to SlowFlowPro
I get it that he shot the robber in the back, and under normal circumstances I'd have a big problem with that. But this was the 6th time in 5 months that the store was robbed. Seems like his state of mind, due to the frequent robberies, should be taken into consideration. If I were on the jury, that would be huge with me
Posted on 1/9/23 at 4:08 pm to L.A.
quote:LA, I hear you. But that just is not the law.
I get it that he shot the robber in the back, and under normal circumstances I'd have a big problem with that. But this was the 6th time in 5 months that the store was robbed. Seems like his state of mind, due to the frequent robberies, should be taken into consideration. If I were on the jury, that would be huge with me
I can definitely see the possibility of some jury nullification in this case, on that basis.
Posted on 1/9/23 at 4:15 pm to AggieHank86
quote:I get that. I'm just saying that if I'm on the jury, I'm taking that into consideration. If they don't want me on the jury because I'm going to take that into consideration, then so be it.
LA, I hear you. But that just is not the law.
In my non-lawyer mind it's kind of like the "fighting words" doctrine regarding the 1st Amendment. The fighting words doctrine allows government to limit speech when it is likely to incite immediate violence or retaliation by the recipients of the words.
I'm not making a legal analogy here, but rather a psychological one. The guy probably had some level of PTSD from 6 robberies in 5 months. He may have just said to himself, frick it, enough is enough
I know that's not the law, or at least I assume it's not. But if I'm on that jury, that's going to go into my thinking as I cast my vote
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