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re: DOJ Again Refuses to Give Judge Boasberg Sensitive Information on National Security

Posted on 3/19/25 at 2:02 pm to
Posted by Epic Cajun
Lafayette, LA
Member since Feb 2013
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Posted on 3/19/25 at 2:02 pm to
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And I'm saying this should be scary to any liberty-loving American, especially whose who believe in small government.

Why should this scare anyone who isn’t part of an FTO that is involved in importing fentanyl into the US?
Posted by therick711
South
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25925 posts
Posted on 3/19/25 at 2:03 pm to
It doesn't.
Posted by SlowFlowPro
Simple Solutions to Complex Probs
Member since Jan 2004
451445 posts
Posted on 3/19/25 at 2:03 pm to
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Oh look SFP still hasn't found 1 out of the 90 or so cases against admin actions that he disagrees with

No I said the ones protecting removal of agency heads was valid.

There is some discussion about what limits Congress has, if any, on certain appointment scheduling on some posts.

Trump's admin is certainly making consistent arguments to make the Executive the most powerful branch, above the other 2. I don't agree with the philosophy, and I'm predicting many MAGA will not once they don't have the Executive (assuming Trump is successful in court)
Posted by SlowFlowPro
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Posted on 3/19/25 at 2:05 pm to
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Why should this scare anyone who isn’t part of an FTO that is involved in importing fentanyl into the US?


The erosion of our rights by ruling protecting expansion of state power affects all of us, from checkpoints to no knock warrants to the TSA everyone on here bitches about to the wiretapping used against Trump in 2016.
Posted by therick711
South
Member since Jan 2008
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Posted on 3/19/25 at 2:05 pm to
If only there were another coequal branch that could check executive authority. I wonder which branch gave the executive this authority. Hmm.
Posted by therick711
South
Member since Jan 2008
25925 posts
Posted on 3/19/25 at 2:06 pm to
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The erosion of our rights by ruling protecting expansion of state power affects all of us, from checkpoints to no knock warrants to the TSA everyone on here bitches about to the wiretapping used against Trump in 2016.


If only there were two coequal branches who could check such authority.
Posted by SammyTiger
Baton Rouge, LA
Member since Feb 2009
75530 posts
Posted on 3/19/25 at 2:08 pm to
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do you believe he is entitled to this sensitive material? just a yes or no please


He’s asking them to answer when the flights happened, when the prisoners were transfered, where and so on.

these are things that have been discussed with the public, The judge asked for details on the timeline of events.

the judge also said if you’re going to invoke the state secret doctorine you have to explain why this specific information is a state secret.

people saying the judiciary is out of control ignore the fact that the administration can appeal every one of these decisions and then appeal that appellate’s courts decision.

That just takes too long and may result in an answer trump doesn’t.

We have a system. Trump wants to operate outside of it.
Posted by SlowFlowPro
Simple Solutions to Complex Probs
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451445 posts
Posted on 3/19/25 at 2:08 pm to
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If only there were another coequal branch that could check executive authority

That's supposed to be Congress or the judiciary

But the admin is arguing to neuter both*




*generally in response to suits this term.
Posted by SlowFlowPro
Simple Solutions to Complex Probs
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Posted on 3/19/25 at 2:08 pm to
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If only there were two coequal branches who could check such authority.

You're specifically arguing one of those branches is no longer "co equal" and is removed from being able to do these checks
Posted by SammyTiger
Baton Rouge, LA
Member since Feb 2009
75530 posts
Posted on 3/19/25 at 2:10 pm to
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If only there were another coequal branch that could check executive authority. I wonder which branch gave the executive this authority. Hmm.


Did you fail civics?

What is the role of the third branch of government if it isn’t to make sure the other 2 stay within their powers

this case is about whether the statue can be applied in this situation.

The SCOTUS has ruled that interpretation is subject to judicial review.
Posted by cadillacattack
the ATL
Member since May 2020
7665 posts
Posted on 3/19/25 at 2:10 pm to
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everyone on here bitches about to the wiretapping used against Trump in 2016.


Who was held accountable for that?
Posted by therick711
South
Member since Jan 2008
25925 posts
Posted on 3/19/25 at 2:12 pm to
Get your arguments straight. Congress checked the judiciary on the alien sedition act. The other search laws you're drawing false equivalency to are still subject to check by two branches.
Posted by Knight of Old
New Hampshire
Member since Jul 2007
11893 posts
Posted on 3/19/25 at 2:13 pm to
SlowFlowProcess…
Posted by therick711
South
Member since Jan 2008
25925 posts
Posted on 3/19/25 at 2:14 pm to
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Did you fail civics?

What is the role of the third branch of government if it isn’t to make sure the other 2 stay within their powers


Actually, no. Congress used its check on the judiciary as I've highlighted in depth here already for you. Maybe read that constitution. This one's tricky because an Article I check is actually found in Article III.
Posted by msutiger
Houston
Member since Jul 2008
70603 posts
Posted on 3/19/25 at 2:15 pm to
Nobody. I get the SFP argument even though he is given a lot of grief for it. We shouldn't bend our values for anything.

I used to be in that camp. I just don't think it works anymore when one side of the aisle has proven they will stomp all over the constitution. We can't fight with a hand tied behind our back.

Does it make us hypocrites? Sure. But the side screaming hypocrites are just pissed we are playing by their rules now.

The Dems have created an environment where the only thing that matters is power and beating your enemies over the head with it. I am not sure how we escape this situation without something devastating triggering a massive reset.
Posted by YumYum Sauce
Arkansas
Member since Nov 2010
8977 posts
Posted on 3/19/25 at 2:16 pm to
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We have a system.

2 systems actually

a. the system used and abused when pedos are in power, which groomers overlook due to the end justying the means

or

b. the other system
Posted by RobbBobb
Matt Flynn, BCS MVP
Member since Feb 2007
31170 posts
Posted on 3/19/25 at 2:16 pm to
quote:

The absurdity is pretending "national security" has anything to do with deporting some Venezuelan thugs.

Sometimes you need to stop, and quit digging a deeper hole

Venezuela (an unfriendly nation) emptied their prisons and told these guys to go to the US or go back to prison. The US under Trump began deportation of these thugs, and that same unfriendly nation REFUSED to take back their own citizens, that they themself deemed security risks in heir own nation

But we are just pretending that these guys are considered the same in our country. Wow. Your logic is floundering

Cong. letter alerting DC of Venezulean criminal intents
Posted by Pettifogger
I don't really care, Margaret
Member since Feb 2012
83508 posts
Posted on 3/19/25 at 2:21 pm to
100%

"Norms" led us to the US government having an official policy that men can get pregnant. I know that's a trope, but I really can't think of any more succinct way to note the absolute catastrophe that the NRO right oversaw when fighting the good fight.

Until the "norms" right can offer something better than "let us fight graciously with one arm behind our back and we'll try and lose as little ground as possible as slowly as possible" - they're going to be yelling into the void
Posted by lake chuck fan
westlake
Member since Aug 2011
18178 posts
Posted on 3/19/25 at 2:22 pm to
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quote:
but the affidavit discusses illegal distribution of drugs and narcotics and narcotics violations numerous times.

Normal criminal activity. Not "national security" issues


That determination isn't made by you or a district judge. The President has the authority to determine what is or isn't a matter of national security.
Posted by Vacherie Saint
Member since Aug 2015
43821 posts
Posted on 3/19/25 at 2:26 pm to
does shareblue give you $4 every time you write the word "histrionic"?

TDA is literally a terrorist group. TDA operates in conjunction with Cartel de los Soles, a Venezuelan-based, narco-terrorism gang sponsored by the Maduro regime. They engineered armed takeovers of housing complexes in Colorado where people were kidnapped and tortured. A Colorado judge had to order the closure of one of these complexes due to the “imminent threat” to the public TDA posed. The Governor of TX declared TDA a terror group and lobbied the Biden administration to do the same. Their members are responsible for multiple high profile murders and kidnappings including the slaying of a Mexican border agent. Their MO is human trafficking, and political kidnappings like the 2024 kidnapping and murder of a Venezuelan military officer.

I dont give a frick if you dont think they are a national security threat. If you dont like it, become president and change the designation. Just don't come here and insult the board's intelligence with your gay liberal bullshite.
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