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re: DOGE: FedGov has ~3M employees, ~4.6M credit cards/accounts

Posted on 2/20/25 at 3:20 pm to
Posted by dafif
Member since Jan 2019
8426 posts
Posted on 2/20/25 at 3:20 pm to
There are almost 700,000 postal employee

I can think of five that would require a credit card
Posted by TimeOutdoors
LA
Member since Sep 2014
13436 posts
Posted on 2/20/25 at 3:22 pm to
Most employees with have a travel card and some will have purchase cards. This doesn't surprise me.
Posted by bayoudude
Member since Dec 2007
25907 posts
Posted on 2/20/25 at 3:24 pm to
It should it would mean many had four or more I would think a large percentage of gov positions would not require a card leaving a much smaller pool having them
Posted by dafif
Member since Jan 2019
8426 posts
Posted on 2/20/25 at 3:32 pm to
Add in all the WFH and why would they need a CC

Posted by boogiewoogie1978
Little Rock
Member since Aug 2012
20073 posts
Posted on 2/20/25 at 3:33 pm to
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Check and see if those people are using reward points for personal gain. Time to start locking people up!

You want to lock people up for accumulating sky miles? Some of yall to need to calm the frick down.
Posted by McChowder
Hammond
Member since Dec 2006
5752 posts
Posted on 2/20/25 at 5:15 pm to
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You want to lock people up for accumulating sky miles? Some of yall to need to calm the frick down.

It's called theft so yeah we should prosecute that.

You believe that benifits accrued from tax dollars should be diverted to enrich bureaucrats instead of using it for official business expenses?
Posted by USAFTiger42
Baton Rouge
Member since Dec 2016
3843 posts
Posted on 2/20/25 at 5:21 pm to
I've never understood why the GTC is used because the system you use books everything and if that's how whatever you do gets paid you'd think it would just pay it. Nope they give you a credit card then tell you if they can't pay it then you're on the hook. There's a few times where finance is slow and I refuse to put one red cent from my account in that card. Government tells me to do something then Government is gonna frickin pay for it.
Posted by Quidam65
Q Continuum
Member since Jun 2010
20515 posts
Posted on 2/20/25 at 5:24 pm to
There are cards issued to agencies for purchases such as office supplies and the like.

But there should be no need for 1.6M agency cards.

Also, not every employee needs a credit card. Those who travel, that's one thing. But the office admin who never goes anywhere wouldn't need one.
Posted by boogiewoogie1978
Little Rock
Member since Aug 2012
20073 posts
Posted on 2/20/25 at 7:35 pm to
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It's called theft so yeah we should prosecute that.

You believe that benifits accrued from tax dollars should be diverted to enrich bureaucrats instead of using it for official business expenses?

At every company I've worked for travel is either booked through a person or a system. They choose to let you provide a rewards number or not. It's not like people can go and do it on the back end.
Posted by Rohan Gravy
New Orleans
Member since Jan 2017
20728 posts
Posted on 2/20/25 at 8:24 pm to
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Most if not all employees get a travel card used specific for traveling and another for other purchases (pcards), but those don't get handed out all willy nilly.


So 1.5 card average makes sense


I think yall might be confused with what a private company does

And what the federal government does

A private company can do whatever they want

Right, wrong or indifferent

I used my own credit card and filed an expense account monthly


Explain why all these federal employees need so many expenses

When they don’t even leave their homes???

WTF are they procuring???

Shut down all of the cards. Period
Posted by MillerLiteTime
Member since Aug 2018
3749 posts
Posted on 2/20/25 at 8:27 pm to
I have worked private and public sector jobs requiring a lot of travel. From prior experience with the travel cards, they are issued in the employees name and the employee is personally liable to pay the monthly bill. It’s not like you swipe it for whatever you want and the government pays the balance. Before traveling you have to submit a prior authorization form estimating your expenses like hotel and flight costs. The employee signs it, the designated travel official reviews and signs, then the employee’s supervisor signs. Anything out of policy like a hotel not within allowed rates or not taking the most cost effective flight gets rejected. Then when you return from travel you file all your receipts accounting for every penny you are requesting a voucher for, it gets the same round of reviews and signatures, then a voucher is issued to the employee to use to pay the credit card.

Even if an employee used the travel card illegally to purchase non-approved expenses, they would owe the balance, not the government, and it is cause for firing. It is a more scrutinized system than practically any private sector travel management process.

Ironically you will find vastly higher rates of fraud with private companies and individuals improperly using money they obtain from the federal government than with federal employees improperly using federal funds. It is an extremely scrutinized process with a lot of controls in place. Some certainly find a way but they usually get caught.
Posted by MillerLiteTime
Member since Aug 2018
3749 posts
Posted on 2/20/25 at 8:35 pm to
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Shut down all of the cards. Period


So no soldiers traveling to and from the Pentagon, their home bases etc? No air traffic controllers going to Oklahoma City for training? No inspectors making sure nuclear facilities are safe? No FBI agents traveling to find out if a Chinese national is stealing American technology?
Posted by Crimson Wraith
Member since Jan 2014
30094 posts
Posted on 2/20/25 at 8:37 pm to
GSA leases come with gas cards.
Posted by Robin Masters
Birmingham
Member since Jul 2010
35926 posts
Posted on 2/20/25 at 8:39 pm to
Yeah, the plebes are always held to very high standards of accountability.

I can’t imagine that a very high level of abuse is coming from those ranks.

Posted by Crimson Wraith
Member since Jan 2014
30094 posts
Posted on 2/20/25 at 8:42 pm to
Years ago when we traveled on DoD temp duty (TDY) we paid our own expenses and filed travel vouchers for reimbursement later.

Several yrs before I retired they made us get gov't credit cards and you had to use those when possible.
Posted by blue_morrison
Member since Jan 2013
5941 posts
Posted on 2/20/25 at 9:13 pm to
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This post was edited on 8/17/25 at 1:21 am
Posted by MillerLiteTime
Member since Aug 2018
3749 posts
Posted on 2/20/25 at 9:16 pm to
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what happens to all those reward points


Goes to the government via whatever contract they have with the credit card servicer. Most are through US Bank.
Posted by gaetti15
AK
Member since Apr 2013
15295 posts
Posted on 2/20/25 at 9:19 pm to
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But there should be no need for 1.6M agency cards.

Also, not every employee needs a credit card. Those who travel, that's one thing. But the office admin who never goes anywhere wouldn't need one.


Totally most people in Fedgov don't even want CCs. It's way easier with central billing
This post was edited on 2/20/25 at 9:19 pm
Posted by Shamoan
Member since Feb 2019
13797 posts
Posted on 2/20/25 at 9:19 pm to
Posted by Jbird
Shoot the tires out!
Member since Oct 2012
90615 posts
Posted on 2/20/25 at 9:19 pm to
I remember back in the day no credit card for military tdys

Then cash backs kicked in.next thing you know all enlisted etc had to use the .gov credit card. DOD got the kick back.
This post was edited on 2/20/25 at 10:50 pm
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