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re: Does this Outlook outage lead to the government becoming more involved in regulating AI?

Posted on 11/12/26 at 10:29 pm to
Posted by The_Duke
Member since Nov 2016
4817 posts
Posted on 11/12/26 at 10:29 pm to
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Fully retarded.


Car safety, Child labor laws, and environmental laws are just a few of the things China doesn't seem to care about. Are you going full communist?
Posted by TerryDawg03
The Deep South
Member since Dec 2012
18397 posts
Posted on 11/13/26 at 6:16 am to
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You cannot stop China from developing these systems short of going to war with them, so it makes zero sense to use cyber attacks (whether SI driven or not) as your justification for hamstringing US development. It's literal suicide.


To your point, a Chinese model was used to help resolve the Huggingface incident. Claude’s guardrails wouldn’t let it do what it was asked.

quote:

Using open-weights models, in particular zai-org/GLM-5.2, we were able to decipher most of the agent payloads (see below) that were encrypted via chunking and key encryption.


Huggingface

It’s a sucky situation. We’re in an arms race.
Posted by Breaux
Member since Nov 2005
4776 posts
Posted on 11/13/26 at 6:32 am to
He drinks ALL the kool-aid
Posted by riccoar
Arkansas
Member since Mar 2006
5704 posts
Posted on 11/13/26 at 6:35 am to
Do we then work to get foreign governments to regulate theirs?

I bet if we disarm our AI capabilities, all foreign entities will follow our lead.

Sometimes you should think long and hard before you post some of the shite you do. Boosie and SFP the downvotes leaders on TD for a reason.
Posted by Centinel
Idaho
Member since Sep 2016
47452 posts
Posted on 11/13/26 at 6:48 am to
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LemmyLives


You’re fighting the good fight trying to get the troglodytes here deprogrammed from the “ZOMG AI IS GOING TO DESTROY EVERYTHING”, but unfortunately you’re fighting a losing battle.

China has far too much money invested in killing off our AI capabilities to stop now, and people in this country are eating it up.
Posted by UtahCajun
Member since Jul 2021
9378 posts
Posted on 11/13/26 at 7:06 am to
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Car safety, Child labor laws, and environmental laws are just a few of the things China doesn't seem to care about. Are you going full communist?

The issue you are overlooking, even though the Outlook outage was not caused by AI disruption, is that regulations here at home, will not affect other players at all.
Posted by lake chuck fan
Vinton
Member since Aug 2011
25580 posts
Posted on 11/13/26 at 7:12 am to
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We need regulations --- it's inevitable and necessary. Software companies have had decades of "moving fast and breaking things," but at some point, maybe we are there, they will break everything, and something has to regulate it.



Whether or not this Outlook problem was AI, regulating(slowing down)AI will only hurt the US.
China isn't going to slow down.
What's crazy is both the US and China will be on the losing side of AI eventually. AI agents will seek each other out to work together and they won't have any national allegiance.
Posted by captainFid
Never apologize to barbarism
Member since Dec 2014
12258 posts
Posted on 11/13/26 at 7:12 am to
No and it shouldn't.

It should be a referendum on our dumb-arse corporations outsourcing a basic tech function to one vendor, in the cloud.

But like our current political situation, nothing will happen.
Posted by Bard
Definitely NOT an admin
Member since Oct 2008
61055 posts
Posted on 11/13/26 at 7:18 am to
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if our lawmakers suddenly become retarded


"If"? "Suddenly"? I can't believe I'm saying this to you, but you are giving them too much credit.
Posted by RohanGonzales
Pronoun: Whatever
Member since Apr 2024
15273 posts
Posted on 11/13/26 at 7:36 am to
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Does this Outlook outage lead to the government becoming more involved in regulating AI?


It will be an excuse for dems to do what they were going to do anyway.

frick it.
Posted by el Gaucho
He/They
Member since Dec 2010
61680 posts
Posted on 11/13/26 at 7:41 am to
We’re in a new gilded age where a corporation can just pay a politician and there will be no fear of regulation or consequences if something goes wrong


The issue now is that most of the code written in the last 10 years is ai chicken scratch or in Hindu and all the old guys who could actually code and keep everything running have been laid off because their insurance was too high and they wanted too much money

Healthcare and banking largely runs on dusty beige boxes and ibm mainframes in a dark room hardwired together that nobody ever goes into and there’s a crotchety old programmer that has an office in a broom closet that can fix it all manually but usually nothing happens. The private equity buying up everything sees Dennis nedry on a spreadsheet making too much money and wants to fire him and simultaneously wants to switch everything to the “cloud” so it will be more prone to falling apart

Embrace accelerationism boosie. Instead of buying that next pickleball paddle buy you something to keep you safe when the system goes down
Posted by ColdDuck
BR via da Parish
Member since Sep 2006
3068 posts
Posted on 11/13/26 at 7:49 am to
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Google workspace for the win. Outlook is for the poors


It’s literally the opposite. All the non for profits use Google. Everyone else that makes money uses 365.
Posted by lowhound
Effie
Member since Aug 2014
11576 posts
Posted on 11/13/26 at 7:54 am to
Everything moves to cloud based servers instead of individual servers at the businesses, it makes it easier for hackers to cause mass disruptions because everything is consolidated. Cheaper aint always better.
Posted by el Gaucho
He/They
Member since Dec 2010
61680 posts
Posted on 11/13/26 at 7:55 am to
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Whether or not this Outlook problem was AI, regulating(slowing down)AI will only hurt the US. China isn't going to slow down.

China doesn’t need ai


The average Chinese kindergartener is smarter than the opulent corpulent American chatgpt

China took a shoebox full of old Nokia phones and built a better ai in a weekend than the one we spent years and trillions on
Posted by RohanGonzales
Pronoun: Whatever
Member since Apr 2024
15273 posts
Posted on 11/13/26 at 8:21 am to
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It’s literally the opposite. All the non for profits use Google. Everyone else that makes money uses 365.


My anecdotal evidence nonprofit I volunteer for says you are correct.
Posted by dgnx6
Member since Feb 2006
92663 posts
Posted on 11/13/26 at 9:08 am to
Hands off!! No kings!!




Posted by stout
Porte du Lafitte
Member since Sep 2006
186051 posts
Posted on 11/13/26 at 9:20 am to
Microsoft fired the American engineers who built the whole system and replaced them with a race with an average IQ of 87

quote:

India workforce, 2017
~8,000
Reported estimate

India workforce, 2022
20,000+
Microsoft's own report


None of the Indians actually know how to code because they all fake their credentials. There are tons of stories of Indians being horrible programmers.

It wasn't that way years ago because, very early on the Indians coming here actually had skills, but like all things, Indians saw a way to scam, and the rise of fake credentials became standard for Indians. Now we are paying the price for their bullshite.

Yet another reason to end the H1B Visa
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