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re: Does the Holy Land belong to The Church?

Posted on 11/5/23 at 11:27 am to
Posted by deltaland
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Posted on 11/5/23 at 11:27 am to
Funny thing about religion is it’s entirely possible that the New Testament and Jesus is a fraud. I’m not saying that’s the case, but we really don’t know. So many of Jesus teachings contradict the Old Testament, who’s to say Jesus wasn’t simply a talented man who fooled everyone? Maybe the Jews have it right and we don’t.

Guess we will find out when we die
Posted by SquaringCircles
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Posted on 11/5/23 at 11:38 am to
I’m not a very religious guy, though I’d say I’m spiritual and believe in a divinity of some sort. What I believe about this world of man is that stories drive everything. We don’t so much discover reality as we create it with our narratives. The old religions gave way to the current hollow materialistic determinism, or scientism, which is equally, if not more, flawed in its assumptions. Our media organs disseminate the daily scripture. Scientists are paid to support the story. We think it’s based on a solid foundation of reason and evidence, but most of it is not. It’s just a tale, and its primary purpose, like all the stories that came before it, is to preserve the power structure.

So if you’re gonna tell a story, make it a good one. Make it hopeful and kind. That’s what Jesus and the Christian improvements on the inherited story have always meant to me. I don’t think we’re right, but I think we’re better.
Posted by Mo Jeaux
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Posted on 11/5/23 at 11:38 am to
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So what’s your test to determine true jews from fake ones


Better to be subservient to all of them just in case, right?
Posted by Mid Iowa Tiger
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Posted on 11/5/23 at 11:44 am to
I hesitate to wade into this but here goes…


Where do you land on traditions being as important as scripture?
Posted by Revelator
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Posted on 11/5/23 at 11:54 am to
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Where do you land on traditions being as important as scripture?



I feel all of the traditions important to me leading a productive and Godly life can be found in the scriptures.
Posted by Revelator
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Posted on 11/5/23 at 11:56 am to
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Better to be subservient to all of them just in case, right?


I asked a legitimate question. For all those saying it’s fake jews that now inhabit the Holy Land, I want to know how they determine it?
Posted by Esquire
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Posted on 11/5/23 at 12:39 pm to
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Romans 11: 25 Lest you be wise in your own sight, I do not want you to be unaware of this mystery, brothers: a partial hardening has come upon Israel, until the fullness of the Gentiles has come in. 26 And in this way all Israel will be saved, as it is written, “The Deliverer will come from Zion, he will banish ungodliness from Jacob


You didn’t answer my question. You just repeated what you said before. Boomers…
Posted by JJJimmyJimJames
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Posted on 11/5/23 at 12:53 pm to
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catholictigerfan

all I am seeing from your side - ALL OF YOUR SIDE - is a word salad full of key words

THEN

inclusion of a dismissive dose of institutionally taught disrespect because you know on some level you just dished out a word salad and nothing substantial

happened twice today in related threads as well as this one

maybe if they had reviewed the bama LB for the targeting he certainly inflicted...


Posted by JJJimmyJimJames
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Posted on 11/5/23 at 1:06 pm to
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I asked a legitimate question. For all those saying it’s fake jews that now inhabit the Holy Land, I want to know how they determine it?

It is being uncovered recently by study of Genetics and importantly - language.

There are also political pointers that show who is using the completely non-usual Balfour Declaration as forwared from select of the Rothschild family as hey were influenced PURELY BY ZIONISTS.

"one country gives a second country that it does not own to a third country that also doesnt own it" !!!!

Genetic study shows that the ashkenaz have no genetic history in the 'holy land' - they came from somewhere else, from Northeast Turkey and Iranian lands

BUT

the ZIONISTS are almost entirely comprised of Ashkenaz, as any look at the political aspect of the formation of 1948 Israel shows.

ETA:[Google Eran Elhaik - he is leading genetic research on a groundbreaking basis that is answering questions previously thought to be unsolvable.

Interestingly also, it agrees with the linguist pointers of the Yiddish language that was ALSO not from the holy lands.

Houston, we have a problem]

This post was edited on 11/5/23 at 1:24 pm
Posted by Esquire
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Posted on 11/5/23 at 1:45 pm to
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all I am seeing from your side - ALL OF YOUR SIDE - is a word salad full of key words


Your entire post history is just a bunch of Boomer word salads
Posted by JJJimmyJimJames
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Posted on 11/5/23 at 1:47 pm to
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Your entire post history is just a bunch of Boomer word salads

lulz
Posted by TigerOnTheMountain
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Posted on 11/5/23 at 1:50 pm to
His nurse screwed up his meds again. You hate to see it.
Posted by Esquire
Chiraq
Member since Apr 2014
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Posted on 11/5/23 at 1:52 pm to
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His nurse screwed up his meds again. You hate to see it.


They had to hide all the WiFi routers in his nursing home because he was bashing them trying to stop the steal.
Posted by Penrod
Member since Jan 2011
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Posted on 11/5/23 at 2:02 pm to
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Revelator and the rest of the Scofield dispensationalists will be in here soon to tell you that you’re wrong.

I’m telling him he’s a nutball.
Posted by Penrod
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Posted on 11/5/23 at 2:04 pm to
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The Jews have been temporarily blinded from acknowledging Jesus as their messiah as a nation. This blindness is temporary to facilitate the time of the Gentiles. When this time is done, the blinders will be removed an Israel Will acknowledge Jesus is messiah.

I’d say the Muzzies have a better chance of converting them to Islam by threatening to kill them.
Posted by Mid Iowa Tiger
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Posted on 11/5/23 at 4:59 pm to
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I feel all of the traditions important to me leading a productive and Godly life can be found in the scriptures.


So the traditions Paul mentions throughout many of his letters (for example, his letter to the church in Corinth, or his letter to the Thessalonians) aren't important to leading a productive and Godly life? Or are they important for some to be able to lead a Godly and productive life, but not for others?

How would you respond to Paul in his letter to the church in Thessolonia when he said to "keep away from any brother who is living in idleness and not in accord with the tradition that you received from us"?

See, it is my firmly held belief that traditions are very, very important. Now, there should not be any Godly tradition that is against sacred scripture, but there were centuries where traditions were the cornerstone of Christian worship.





Posted by Revelator
Member since Nov 2008
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Posted on 11/5/23 at 7:05 pm to
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So the traditions Paul mentions throughout many of his letters (for example, his letter to the church in Corinth, or his letter to the Thessalonians) aren't important to leading a productive and Godly life? Or are they important for some to be able to lead a Godly and productive life, but not for others? How would you respond to Paul in his letter to the church in Thessolonia when he said to "keep away from any brother who is living in idleness and not in accord with the tradition that you received from us"?



All of these things you mentioned are in the scriptures, and I said I try to live by what’s in the scriptures. What am I missing? We seem to be on the same page?
This post was edited on 11/5/23 at 7:05 pm
Posted by Squirrelmeister
Member since Nov 2021
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Posted on 11/5/23 at 7:24 pm to
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Funny thing about religion is it’s entirely possible that the New Testament and Jesus is a fraud


It’s all fraud. The reason there are so many contradictions - not just in the Bible, but in individual books - is that they’ve been edited, amended, and redacted thousands of times - some intentionally and some unintentionally.

Look at this from Exodus 22, when the LORD is commanding child sacrifice.
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29“You shall not delay to offer from the fullness of your harvest and from the outflow of your presses. The firstborn of your sons you shall give to me. 30You shall do the same with your oxen and with your sheep: seven days it shall be with its mother; on the eighth day you shall give it to me.


When you remove a lamb or calf or newborn from its mother and give it to the LORD, to be clear, that involved ritually killing the young animal or person on an altar and burning it.

Then a scribe came along and added exodus 34, saying that instead of sacrificing their firstborns, then can redeem (ransom, buy back) by paying money or substituting some other animal sacrifice. He didn’t like human sacrifice and wanted to change the practice.
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The firstborn of a donkey you shall redeem with a lamb, or if you will not redeem it you shall break its neck. All the firstborn of your sons you shall redeem. And none shall appear before me empty-handed.


Then Jeremiah comes along and writes in Chapter 19 that the LORD never ever commanded child sacrifice.
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4Because the people have forsaken me and have profaned this place by making offerings in it to other gods whom neither they nor their fathers nor the kings of Judah have known; and because they have filled this place with the blood of innocents, 5and have built the high places of Baal to burn their sons in the fire as burnt offerings to Baal, which I did not command or decree, nor did it come into my mind


Ezekiel tells a different story in chapter 20:
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and I defiled them through their very gifts in their offering up all their firstborn, that I might devastate them. I did it that they might know that I am the LORD.


The tards on here (you know who you are) will deny “God” ever commanded child sacrifice, even though the LORD literally stated he commanded child sacrifice. They’ll also ignore Jeremiah and Ezekiel state the exact opposite on the subject, but they’ll claim there is no contradiction. It is shameful fraud and it has deluded so many.
Posted by KiwiHead
Auckland, NZ
Member since Jul 2014
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Posted on 11/5/23 at 7:33 pm to
Yiddish is low German....a pigeon German at that. The Jews don't deny it.
Posted by Squirrelmeister
Member since Nov 2021
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Posted on 11/5/23 at 7:54 pm to
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Yiddish is derived from middle high German....a pidgin German at that


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