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re: Does Rand Paul have a serious shot for President?
Posted on 1/19/14 at 8:57 pm to Vegas Bengal
Posted on 1/19/14 at 8:57 pm to Vegas Bengal
This is a bogus point I keep refuting. Paul was certified by the American Board of Ophthalmology. He spoke out against the boards decision to grandfather in older board certified ophthalmologists and not require recertification. He didn't create his own board so he could achieve certification, he did it to protest what he viewed as a disservice to patients by not forcing all ophthalmologists to recertify.
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Posted on 1/19/14 at 9:00 pm to SlowFlowPro
Their political faults aside, they were always very financially responsible (and I would be remiss not to include, very good parents). Ending SS and medicare won't be an issue for them 
Posted on 1/19/14 at 9:01 pm to SlowFlowPro
The left acted on ideals and were trounced in landslides. They figured out how to shut up and placate the extremists in the party. The problem with the GOP big boys today is they paid lip service to the extremists for years and now the extremists want to run the zoo. They won't of course but they'll make enough trouble to where the zoo fails.
Posted on 1/19/14 at 9:03 pm to Vegas Bengal
so winning elections is all that matters?
Posted on 1/19/14 at 9:10 pm to pleading the fifth
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He didn't create his own board so he could achieve certification, he did it to protest what he viewed as a disservice to patients by not forcing all ophthalmologists to recertify.
I never said he created his own board so he could achieve certification. I said:
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That's Rand Paul. Great example is his "board certification". He's board certified all right. By the board he created because he got pissed off at the board that certifies all other doctors in his field.
That's pretty much what you just said.
Now if you don't like what a medical board is doing, you can run for office within and change things or you can start your own board. I don't think most patients or people would trust board certification from a doctor's own board. It speaks to his mentality and personality. That might be admirable qualities for his minions who obsess over him to the extent and more that they claim Obama's followers do, but the general public will be turned off by it.
Don't believe me? Imagine a jury hearing testimony from one board certified doctor and another with a differing view certified by his own board. Which one would the jury find more credible?
Posted on 1/19/14 at 9:11 pm to Vegas Bengal
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Don't believe me? Imagine a jury hearing testimony from one board certified doctor and another with a differing view certified by his own board. Which one would the jury find more credible?
i've heard jurors who refused to award money because of the plaintiff lawyers' shoes. i've seen countless jurors count ceiling tiles during closing arguments. let's not use this standard
Posted on 1/19/14 at 9:16 pm to SlowFlowPro
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so winning elections is all that matters?
Yes
You can be "right" but if you don't win an election, it means as much as being right about a blown call in a game you lost.
Posted on 1/19/14 at 9:18 pm to Vegas Bengal
So the future of the country is just a fricking game to you guys?
Posted on 1/19/14 at 9:19 pm to ironsides
You don't get to influence the future of the country unless you win elections.
Posted on 1/19/14 at 9:24 pm to ironsides
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So the future of the country is just a fricking game to you guys?
Me guys? The game has been the game since the first leader of the first tribe was selected. Hell Machiavelli wrote the book on it 500 years ago.
Posted on 1/19/14 at 9:41 pm to ironsides
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So the future of the country is just a fricking game to you guys?
"The game is the game"
Posted on 1/19/14 at 10:07 pm to JAXTiger16
Ted Cruz is the best thing Rand has going for him. If Cruz enters the primaries, it will make Paul appear much more "mainstream", which he will become regardless as his campaign goes along. He drove the Daily Paul posters nuts when he endorsed Romney while the primaries were still going on, and his support of Mitch McConnell in the upcoming KY primary also reflects that is being a realist. At one time early last year there was a Paul-Cruz-Lee triumvirate constantly holding court in the halls of the Senate, and I posted later that Lee would eventually align himself with one over the other as 2016 talk increased, and we have seen Lee do exactly that as he has paired himself off with Cruz. Over the next 24 months, Paul will widen the "perception gap" between himself and Cruz, and it will be interesting to see if Lee (who was originally tight with Rand before Cruz got to Washington) moves back closer to Paul as he realizes Cruz has no chance, at least not in 2016.
Posted on 1/19/14 at 10:12 pm to Vegas Bengal
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You can be "right" but if you don't win an election, it means as much as being right about a blown call in a game you lost.
just wanted you on record
especially when the next karl rove shows up, or if you ever bitch about "the koch brothers" (or fill in the blank) or "citizens united"
Posted on 1/19/14 at 10:13 pm to Ralph_Wiggum
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I don't think he can win a general election given his libertarian beliefs.
You may be right.
Statist freedom haters like you are quite numerous.
Posted on 1/19/14 at 11:17 pm to SlowFlowPro
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You can be "right" but if you don't win an election, it means as much as being right about a blown call in a game you lost.
just wanted you on record
especially when the next karl rove shows up, or if you ever bitch about "the koch brothers" (or fill in the blank) or "citizens united"
I've been on the record since the 80s on this. I said it in this thread re Atwater and Rove (when I spoke of the Bush family's abilities.
In fact I posted on liberal websites and got blasted early on in 2007 that Obama needed to take a page out of Rove's book: pick 3 issues and ride those puppies to the end. They don't have to be important issues, just popular. The public cant process more than that. Obama was unfocused early on. He hit his stride when 2007 became 2008.
CU and the Koch Bros are about money influencing elections. The thing about the far right is they attack big money from the Left and claim it influences everything from Politifact to MSNBC to polling to Global Warming science yet deny deny deny big money influence on their end. Personally I don't give a frick about either. My concern is big money taking elections out of the hands of the people. Period.
And by the way, it's big money that's going to keep Rand Paul from the nomination.
Eta and yes I know the Kochs have been supporters of him in the past. Just wait when next year rolls around.
This post was edited on 1/19/14 at 11:23 pm
Posted on 1/20/14 at 11:35 am to JAXTiger16
quote:A serious shot? No.
Does Rand Paul have a serious shot for President?
I am no fan of Rand Paul, but he will be infinitely better than the two candidates the elite trot out for you to "vote" on.
Posted on 1/20/14 at 11:55 am to JAXTiger16
probably not, but would not have an issue voting for him in the primary.
Since he assumedly would not make it, then I'd go with a Gary Johnson type in the general, and if that's not available then I'll go fishing.
Since he assumedly would not make it, then I'd go with a Gary Johnson type in the general, and if that's not available then I'll go fishing.
Posted on 1/20/14 at 12:54 pm to TrueTiger
It may or may not be fair but RP will be painted as a mouth breathing southern conservative which would make it impossible to win the big electoral states (excepting Texas). If the GOP waits until the convention to figure out its identity crisis you can forget 2016 and probably 2020.
Posted on 1/20/14 at 1:31 pm to Manky
As one of the original Rand Paul supporters on this board, it's hilarious seeing these predictions. Rand will win the primary, he's about five steps ahead of everyone else.
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