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re: Does Rand Paul have a serious shot for President?
Posted on 1/19/14 at 5:43 pm to JAXTiger16
Posted on 1/19/14 at 5:43 pm to JAXTiger16
I think he would fair much better than these neocons would like to admit. He could possibly get the majority vote of marijuana users and the libertarians that usually vote third party. Those are votes that Chris Christie or any any other establishment Republican couldn't possibly get. The only question is whether or not the old guard republicans would vote for him or not vote at all.
This post was edited on 1/19/14 at 5:47 pm
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Posted on 1/19/14 at 5:47 pm to JAXTiger16
I doubt he has any legitimate chance. he would not be able to get Big oil behind him which is what any GOP candidate has to have in order to win the nomination.
I do like him and think that a few years of libertarianism would do this country a lot of good.
I plan to vote for him in the primary (assuming he runs) and then switch to whomever the GOP candidate turns out to be.
I personally think it will be Jeb Bush.
I do like him and think that a few years of libertarianism would do this country a lot of good.
I plan to vote for him in the primary (assuming he runs) and then switch to whomever the GOP candidate turns out to be.
I personally think it will be Jeb Bush.
Posted on 1/19/14 at 5:48 pm to Ralph_Wiggum
quote:If he wins the nomination, he'll win the Presidency. You can book that.
but I don't think he can win a general election given his libertarian beliefs.
Posted on 1/19/14 at 5:53 pm to NC_Tigah
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If he wins the nomination, he'll win the Presidency. You can book that.
I agree. The most difficult obstacle will be winning over the majority of Republicans. I'm trying to convince registered Libertarians to become a registered Republican so they can vote for him in the primaries.
Posted on 1/19/14 at 6:06 pm to LSUwag
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he would not be able to get Big oil behind him
Why? Rand is all for utilizing our natural resources. He would no double push to authorize Keystone
Posted on 1/19/14 at 6:14 pm to deltaland
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Why? Rand is all for utilizing our natural resources. He would no double push to authorize Keystone
Because Rand won't follow what Big Oil tells him to do. He's by a long shot the least likely of any Republican in Congress to do so. If I were a big shot in the oil industry, I would not want him as president. I think that Obama has been more compliant with Big Oil than Paul would be.
Posted on 1/19/14 at 6:19 pm to JAXTiger16
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Does Rand Paul have a serious shot for President?
Who would have thought BO had a shot at being POTUS on Jan 19th 2006? So yeah Rand has a shot in '16 and '20 (if he doesn't get he '16 nod). The primary between rand (or another libertarian) and Christie (or another RINO) is going to be epic.
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But I feel like he might scare some people off with his over the top extreme stances for certain subjects just like his father.
He is a little more reserved than Ron, but after what happened last year it is starting to look like Ron wasn't so crazy.
Posted on 1/19/14 at 6:19 pm to deltaland
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Why? Rand is all for utilizing our natural resources. He would no double push to authorize Keystone
Rand is a capitalist. Big corporations hate capitalism.
Posted on 1/19/14 at 6:22 pm to willthezombie
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He is a little more reserved than Ron, but after what happened last year it is starting to look like Ron wasn't so crazy.
Rand is also well spoken and he explains his arguments much better than his father. His father stuttered at times in the primaries and didn't always finish his sentences.
Posted on 1/19/14 at 6:23 pm to willthezombie
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Who would have thought BO had a shot at being POTUS on Jan 19th 2006
Anyone with a brain. In 2003 when I saw him on Oprah, I thought to myself "That is the next president of the United States". I was right. He had president written all over him. He had the desire, looks, and charisma to get it. I knew he would be terrible as well, but I was confident he would be president.
Posted on 1/19/14 at 6:25 pm to Turkey_Creek_Tiger
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Rand is also well spoken and he explains his arguments much better than his father. His father stuttered at times in the primaries and didn't always finish his sentences.
Yeah I was a RP supporter in '12 and sometimes during the debate, I was like wtf are trying to say.
Rand has a chance because every year more and more establishment R's that he and other libertarians will scare off, are dying. The younger voters that the R's need to win (40 and younger) are more likely to go with Rand than Christie
Posted on 1/19/14 at 6:27 pm to Turkey_Creek_Tiger
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and the libertarians that usually vote third party.
No Libertarian candidate has reached the 1% benchmark since 1980, when one of the Koch brothers was the Libertarian V-P candidate. Not sure that will be a key voting bloc in 2016. Some other individual running as a 3rd party/unaffiliated candidate who captures the interest of a segment of voters who do not care for either candidate (Ross Perot, Ralph Nader (twice), John Anderson, etc.), could have an impact. Will need beaucoup bucks though.
Posted on 1/19/14 at 6:27 pm to OMLandshark
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Anyone with a brain. In 2003 when I saw him on Oprah, I thought to myself "That is the next president of the United States". I was right. He had president written all over him. He had the desire, looks, and charisma to get it. I knew he would be terrible as well, but I was confident he would be president
In early 2006 and into 2007 everyone was appointing Hildogg the nominee and the future POTUS
Posted on 1/19/14 at 6:29 pm to NHTIGER
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No Libertarian candidate has reached the 1% benchmark since 1980, when one of the Koch brothers was the Libertarian V-P candidate. Not sure that will be a key voting bloc in 2016. Some other individual running as a 3rd party/unaffiliated candidate who captures the interest of a segment of voters who do not care for either candidate (Ross Perot, Ralph Nader (twice), John Anderson, etc.), could have an impact. Will need beaucoup bucks though.
If the 2016 election is as close as the 2000 election, then that 1% is HUGE.
This post was edited on 1/19/14 at 6:32 pm
Posted on 1/19/14 at 6:31 pm to willthezombie
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In early 2006 and into 2007 everyone was appointing Hildogg the nominee and the future POTUS
It was between the two of them, but I always felt pretty confident Obama would be president . I knew McCain didn't stand a chance, especially when Palin entered the picture.
Posted on 1/19/14 at 6:31 pm to Turkey_Creek_Tiger
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I the 2016 election is as close as the 2000 election, then that 1% is HUGE.
Depending on where the 1% support comes from it will be huge in any election. If it is in Florida, Colorado, or Ohio it will decide the election. If it is in La, MS, Bama (
bama) then noPosted on 1/19/14 at 6:36 pm to OMLandshark
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It was between the two of them, but I always felt pretty confident Obama would be president . I knew McCain didn't stand a chance, especially when Palin entered the picture
my original post said who would have though on 1/19/06 that Bo would have been POTUS. Of course everybody knew that Odummy would beat McCain
Posted on 1/19/14 at 6:37 pm to NC_Tigah
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If Rand flops it will be due to personality and presentation, not ideas.
No matter the party, the likeabilty factor is huge. Perceptions of a person's belief system is as well. IMO Rand Paul will get crushed bc of these two factors.
In the summer of 2012, there were multiple threads laughing at Obama's and the Left's attacks on Romney. Remember Bane Capital? I laughed at the nativity of the Righties on this board and Romney for not punching back. By the time the Fall rolled around, America had it's perception of Romney created without any defense put up. So when the 47% video ran, it fit right in. The car elevator. The Olympic horse. The multiple houses. The Left made Romney out to be Mr Burns.
Look at Bush in 1998. Bush, with no real competition started early with his war hero media blitz and ridiculing of Dukakis. Atwater was a genius and Democrats have copied his formula since. Republicans did a better job in 04 and 08.
Paul, with his demeanor and views will be easy pickings. He's like the Republican Howard Dean. A very easy target.
Christie stood a good chance but the recent scandals give tons of ammo. Right now I'd bet Jeb Bush. He's a hell of a lot more likable than his brother, seems more intelligent and his brother and father did a damn good job of destroying their enemies. He's got the pedigree.
Posted on 1/19/14 at 6:39 pm to Vegas Bengal
Unrelated to your post, but Mitt Romney seems like an incredibly decent, honorable man. It's a shame he never got the chance to lead the country. That first debate was like macroeconomics porn for some of us. He was so comfortable with it. Oh well.
Posted on 1/19/14 at 6:40 pm to willthezombie
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my original post said who would have though on 1/19/06 that Bo would have been POTUS.
most people who watched his speech at the 2004 convention and heard the buzz after
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