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re: Does Rand Paul have a serious shot for President?
Posted on 1/19/14 at 7:11 pm to Turkey_Creek_Tiger
Posted on 1/19/14 at 7:11 pm to Turkey_Creek_Tiger
SPF will argue over the most inane points. He's like many libertarians and for that matter far leftists. His post count is indicative of his propensity. He's like a dog on a bone. Many times he argues points on subjects he's argued against previously. Any intelligence god gave him is oftentimes suppressed by his own stubbornness.
That's Rand Paul. Great example is his "board certification". He's board certified all right. By the board he created because he got pissed off at the board that certifies all other doctors in his field.
That's stubbornness. That's the kind of unyielding behavior that inhibited his father and will do so for him.
Plus the fact that he looks like a cartoon character.
That's Rand Paul. Great example is his "board certification". He's board certified all right. By the board he created because he got pissed off at the board that certifies all other doctors in his field.
That's stubbornness. That's the kind of unyielding behavior that inhibited his father and will do so for him.
Plus the fact that he looks like a cartoon character.
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Posted on 1/19/14 at 7:16 pm to Vegas Bengal
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Many times he argues points on subjects he's argued against previously.
wait
wat
Posted on 1/19/14 at 7:23 pm to Vegas Bengal
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Many times he argues points on subjects he's argued against previously. Any intelligence god gave him is oftentimes suppressed by his own stubbornness.
your criticisms of SFP seem to be contradicting. Correct me if I'm wrong, but I was under the impression that stubborn people don't change their views and argue points on subjects that they argued against previously?
This post was edited on 1/19/14 at 7:24 pm
Posted on 1/19/14 at 7:24 pm to JAXTiger16
Yes he does.
Christie going down the tubes is helping him a shite ton.
This is false BTW.
Christie going down the tubes is helping him a shite ton.
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his over the top extreme stances
This is false BTW.
Posted on 1/19/14 at 7:27 pm to Vegas Bengal
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Many times he argues points on subjects he's argued against previously. Any intelligence god gave him is oftentimes suppressed by his own stubbornnes
Sounds like Obama
Posted on 1/19/14 at 7:27 pm to Sentrius
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This is false BTW.
I mean, it is, but that's not going to stop the press from painting him that way. Both sides have reasons to discredit him. In the primaries, it will be Fox going after him, and then if he miraculously makes it through that, CNN and especially MSNBC will be busting his balls and try and turn him into a monster. The fact that he isn't a politically correct suck up that the Young Turks would love will destroy his election potential.
Posted on 1/19/14 at 7:31 pm to OMLandshark
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the Young Turks
Posted on 1/19/14 at 7:34 pm to OMLandshark
If he can make it through a 13 hour filibuster of unscripted discourse without hanging himself and still manage to keep it on topic for a very sizable majority of the filibuster, he's got the chops to wrangle with the press and the entire media.
He's very politically savvy.
He's very politically savvy.
This post was edited on 1/19/14 at 7:38 pm
Posted on 1/19/14 at 7:36 pm to JAXTiger16
Probably not. The media will portray him as a nut. People believe what they are told.
Posted on 1/19/14 at 7:38 pm to Sentrius
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If he can make it through a 13 hour filibuster of unscripted duscourse without hanging himself and still manage to keep it on topic for a very sizable majority of the filibuster, he's got the chops to wrangle with the press and the entire media. He's very politically savvy.
It doesn't matter, since they'll still paint him as a wacko behind his back. If he's invited on, sure he'll be able to defend himself, but do you think Bill Maher, Chris Mathews, and Wolf Blitzer are going to be fair to the guy? They'll rip him apart for actually having balls and not being a pussy.
This post was edited on 1/19/14 at 7:39 pm
Posted on 1/19/14 at 8:00 pm to JAXTiger16
He's got zero shot and not because of his beliefs... he just doesn't have "it".
Posted on 1/19/14 at 8:16 pm to JAXTiger16
Only way to know is by winning the nomination.
Everyone is just speculating.
Everyone is just speculating.
Posted on 1/19/14 at 8:18 pm to Turkey_Creek_Tiger
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I'm trying to convince registered Libertarians to become a registered Republican so they can vote for him in the primaries.
Interesting topic. Are there actual states where you can register as a libertarian? Most states I have lived the choices are independent and that's it.
In NC the only third party you can register as is unaffiliated. I know this as I am a registered, unaffiliated. What about other states?
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I’m Unaffiliated. Can I vote in the primary?
If you registered as an Unaffiliated voter and want to vote in the Primary, you can ask for the Democratic Party primary ballot, the Republican Party primary ballot, or neither. Your choice does not change your Unaffiliated status or obligate you to vote for a party’s candidates in the General Election. However, if there is a Primary Run-off, you can only participate in the Run-off of the same party that you selected in the original Primary.
LINK
Posted on 1/19/14 at 8:18 pm to Sentrius
I have a tough time seeing him get the nomination; just don't think the "traditional" republican voters will get behind him.
Case in point, and this is obviously a ridiculously small sample, but both my parents said he would be worse for the country than Hillary. And they have both voted republican every presidential election in their lives.
The word they used to describe him was "kook."
That said, assuming Paul doesn't get the nomination himself, I very much hope that he gets the VP bid. I think he can do a lot of good in terms of changing the Republican party's mindset from that role.
Case in point, and this is obviously a ridiculously small sample, but both my parents said he would be worse for the country than Hillary. And they have both voted republican every presidential election in their lives.
The word they used to describe him was "kook."
That said, assuming Paul doesn't get the nomination himself, I very much hope that he gets the VP bid. I think he can do a lot of good in terms of changing the Republican party's mindset from that role.
Posted on 1/19/14 at 8:34 pm to funnystuff
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Case in point, and this is obviously a ridiculously small sample, but both my parents said he would be worse for the country than Hillary. And they have both voted republican every presidential election in their lives.
What exactly don't they like about him?
Posted on 1/19/14 at 8:35 pm to funnystuff
What would you classify your parents as?
Establishment?
Neocon?
Evangelical?
Not a flame BTW.
Establishment?
Neocon?
Evangelical?
Not a flame BTW.
Posted on 1/19/14 at 8:48 pm to Gmorgan4982
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Probably not. The media will portray him as a nut. People believe what they are told.
If the media are liberal and the media dictates who wins because people believe what they're told, then there would be no conservatives in office.
Conservatives blame the media for losing for the same reason Arkansas fans blame the refs for losing. It's easier and more palatable than the truth.
Conservatives lose because of a failure to convey their message. Their brand has hit record levels of low identification. We see it on this board. A good percentage of conservatives don't call themselves Republican any more.
So now you have moderates who don't see themselves as a Republicans and the libertarian wing of the party shunning them and the yahoo tea partiers shunning them. And yet they still blame the media.
they run from the Republican brand yet when others run from it, it's the media's fault. I hope Rand Paul wins the nomination because there's very little chance of him winning the general. But I doubt he wins the nomination because unlike the Democrats, the establishment of the party has chosen their nominee for the past 12 elections. And the powers that be will not let Paul win the nomination.
It won't be the media. It will be the GOP big boys.
Posted on 1/19/14 at 8:50 pm to Sentrius
Through most of their lives, they would mostly fall into he evangelical category, though they have started to trend more establishment in the last 5-10 years.
They believe firmly that the tea-party is filled with nothing but wackos who just want to throw the country into anarchy. They also equate Rand to his father, who they had really disliked during his last two runs. I've tried on multiple occasions to have a legitimate discussion about the different fallacies in these beliefs, but they don't want to hear it.
I'll say this, they very much fall into the category of people who do not keep themselves very informed on politics, but always seem to have a strong opinion on the few things they are familiar with. They will watch the news on occasion and catch the highlights, but rarely look past talking points. Definitely part of the uniformed problem, but I don't necessarily think they are in a small minority in that regard. That's one area that I see Rand having a very real problem.
They believe firmly that the tea-party is filled with nothing but wackos who just want to throw the country into anarchy. They also equate Rand to his father, who they had really disliked during his last two runs. I've tried on multiple occasions to have a legitimate discussion about the different fallacies in these beliefs, but they don't want to hear it.
I'll say this, they very much fall into the category of people who do not keep themselves very informed on politics, but always seem to have a strong opinion on the few things they are familiar with. They will watch the news on occasion and catch the highlights, but rarely look past talking points. Definitely part of the uniformed problem, but I don't necessarily think they are in a small minority in that regard. That's one area that I see Rand having a very real problem.
Posted on 1/19/14 at 8:51 pm to Vegas Bengal
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It won't be the media. It will be the GOP big boys.
i don't disagree, but that's why there is a schism on the right in the country
i'm always curious when the left will nut up and have some ideals. we shall see
Posted on 1/19/14 at 8:52 pm to funnystuff
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I'll say this, they very much fall into the category of people who do not keep themselves very informed on politics, but always seem to have a strong opinion on the few things they are familiar with. They will watch the news on occasion and catch the highlights, but rarely look past talking points. Definitely part of the uniformed problem, but I don't necessarily think they are in a small minority in that regard. That's one area that I see Rand having a very real problem.
i cannot wait to end their social security and medicare
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