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re: Does anyone understand why having the National Guard helping defeat crime is a bad thing?
Posted on 8/26/25 at 8:06 am to SlowFlowPro
Posted on 8/26/25 at 8:06 am to SlowFlowPro
I don't see anyone arguing that they try to manufacture crime. They certainly don't do all they can to stop it. In fact, the stated goal of many dems is to decriminalize certain offenses, relax sentencing, and marginalize the police. Its a fair question to ask; why don't democrat leaders clean up theirs cities when the solution is fairly obvious?
People aren't going to sympathize with people like Pritzker on this.
People aren't going to sympathize with people like Pritzker on this.
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Posted on 8/26/25 at 8:07 am to Florida_Man1981
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Republicans will overplay their hand and eventually we'll have a Democrat in office again. Do you want the norm to be federalizing the NG for domestic purposes?
Well this is easy, are they being deployed because they are cleaning up crime in Nola? Then great, that DEI city, along with all the other major Dem cities need a ton of help.
Or
Are they just arresting conservatives because they are conservative? Are they doing home to home raids because they are locking down “hate speech” or something Unconstiutional like that?
Because then the Civil War kicks off.
I don’t understand the “butttt what if the Dem’s get power back!!!??” argument. Trump is not breaking the law, he is enforcing it because judges, DA’s, and piece of shite attorney’s constantly abuse it and we have a lesser society because of it.
Posted on 8/26/25 at 8:08 am to jp4lsu
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it will just go back to being crime ridden city when they leave
Nah, they are smarter than that. During the NGs stay there, the admin is cleaning up the bail systems and other factors that deter and keep offenders off the streets. Break up the gangs that go unchecked.
Im not sure how many NG we have in America, but instead of those once monthly training deals, why not just station them in a local city as backup to those police depths?
It will be a long process, but change in cultures isn't overnight.
Posted on 8/26/25 at 8:09 am to SlowFlowPro
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We KNOW they've become more peaceful.
Let’s go with a local example. Crime is down in St. Louis.
So is population. The city was 458k in 1980. It’s 290k (lol, probably 270k or 260k) now.
The city isn’t “safe.” It’s statistically safer. There’s less crime in part because people don’t go to areas where crime occurs more. Families with children and means move out of the city because of a failing public education system and the inability to let your child walk to the park.
Property ownership and intact family units are two of the strongest predictors of conservatism.
You’re a fricking autistic retard who wants to argue that because murder is down 10% that everything is utopia.
My son in law moved from rural Missouri to the city of St. Louis. His third week here, he was robbed in the park in daylight. When my daughter moved into their home after they got married, her car was stolen within the first month. They are waiting for her to finish residency and they will move to the suburbs.
Making a solely statistical argument which ignores the current levels of crime and only compares them to previous shitstorms is a fool’s errand. And you’re just the fool to do it.
Posted on 8/26/25 at 8:09 am to Vacherie Saint
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They certainly don't do all they can to stop it.
Again, look at the decrease. Note: it's the same trend basically everywhere.
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Its a fair question to ask; why don't democrat leaders clean up theirs cities when the solution is fairly obvious?
The cites got a lot cleaner, and more leftist.
His argument was they remain dangerous to remain more leftist. The literal opposite has been shown to be true.
Posted on 8/26/25 at 8:11 am to oklahogjr
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Some of those citizens are criminals...
Here’s a leftist fig simping for criminals. Is it in your blood?
Posted on 8/26/25 at 8:12 am to HeadCall
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there’s something just unamerican about the army patrolling the streets in camouflage uniforms with rifles.
I would argue that it’s un American to watch your cities be destroyed by crime.
Posted on 8/26/25 at 8:13 am to Gorilla Ball
One legitimate concern is being constitutionals about an action. There are potential ways, but you certainly do not want to break the constitution so the left can use it against Americans in the future.
because they will and they won't be shy about it. J6
because they will and they won't be shy about it. J6
Posted on 8/26/25 at 8:14 am to the808bass
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e. Crime is down in St. Louis.
So is population.
I posted violent crime rate data.
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There’s less crime in part because people don’t go to areas where crime occurs more. Families with children and means move out of the city because of a failing public education system and the inability to let your child walk to the park.
The vast majority of violent crime is criminal on criminal, and you know this. These civilians leaving won't change the rates.
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You’re a fricking autistic retard who wants to argue that because murder is down 10% that everything is utopia.
No. I was responding to a specific point. I even re-quoted it for you to try to keep you focused. I'll do that again.
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peace in the inner cities actually threatens the Democrat power elite
THAT is the dumb point that I disproved.
And murder is down a LOT more than 10% from the hellscape of the 80s/90s.
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Making a solely statistical argument which ignores the current levels of crime and only compares them to previous shitstorms is a fool’s errand.
Within the context of his comment, how could you not compare to the previous shitstorms?
And on the general comment, I explained why we can't solve the crime problem in totality. Even if we had the perfect plan, we wouldn't see the fruits for 2-3 generations, and you know this.
Posted on 8/26/25 at 8:15 am to the808bass
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I would argue that it’s un American to watch your cities be destroyed by crime.
And yet, a huge portion of posters see the era when this was actually happening as the halcyon era of their version of America
Posted on 8/26/25 at 8:16 am to SlowFlowPro
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And yet, a huge portion of posters see the era when this was actually happening as the halcyon era of their version of America
It's either that or they're nostalgic for a time which predates their birth and they never experienced
Posted on 8/26/25 at 8:17 am to SlowFlowPro
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If this is true, why have they been committing political suicide for 30 years?
Because people are tribal. Once a large community gets it into its head that they are a part of Tribe X, the leaders of that tribe have to continually and majorly frick up before enough of the tribe turns away (much less turns to Tribe Y).
For the top 20 most populated cities in the US, only 2 (Dallas and Fort Worth) have non-Democrat mayors. Of the top 50, only 12 are not Democrats. Of the top 100, only 31 are run by non-Democrats (with an increasing number of those not being GOP).
When you dig a little deeper into the history of the top 10 most populated cities and those with the highest violent crime rates, you find a trend of their being run mostly by Democrats with some having not had non-Democrat leadership in decades. In the case of Chicago, it's been nearly a century.
When history shows you have a lock on the voters due to their party tribalism, you have to work extra hard to commit political suicide and apparently it takes longer than just 30 years.
Posted on 8/26/25 at 8:18 am to SlowFlowPro
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The vast majority of violent crime is criminal on criminal, and you know this. These civilians leaving won't change the rates.
And yet the rates have changed.
Posted on 8/26/25 at 8:18 am to the808bass
Hey if you want to go live with the military in the streets watching your every move to dissuade crime there's always North Korea or China as solid options for you to live. I personally prefer America where you have freedom with a little bit of risk.
Posted on 8/26/25 at 8:18 am to the808bass
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would argue that it’s un American to watch your cities be destroyed by crime.
As I said, if individual states choose to use the national guard to stabilize high crime areas until better long term solutions are found and implemented I’m fine with that.
But the idea of armed soldiers patrolling the streets IS unamerican. And it’s not a long term practical solution anyways. Guardsmen have real lives and regular jobs they have to attend to.
Posted on 8/26/25 at 8:21 am to Bard
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When history shows you have a lock on the voters due to their party tribalism
Urbanity has been associated with more progressive culture (within the context of the era) since, what, Ur?
Pastoral/rural areas have been associated with more conservative culture, likewise. They're always going to be less diverse and more isolated from new ideas.
Posted on 8/26/25 at 8:21 am to SlowFlowPro
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And murder is down a LOT more than 10% from the hellscape of the 80s/90s.
The murder rate in St. Louis high water mark in the 70s and 80s was 59.5. A new high water mark was established in 2010 with a 69.9. In 2016, it was 59.8.
Sybau
Posted on 8/26/25 at 8:22 am to the808bass
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And yet the rates have changed.
In the downward direction. Criminals are killing far fewer criminals.
Posted on 8/26/25 at 8:23 am to SlowFlowPro
You are so fricking stupid. Random thought that you think are correct.
Posted on 8/26/25 at 8:24 am to the808bass
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The murder rate in St. Louis high water mark in the 70s and 80s was 59.5. A new high water mark was established in 2010 with a 69.9. In 2016, it was 59.8.
I will take your data as true. Using one city's data is almost as bad as your anecdotal stories, and you know this (or should).
Some places have increasing crime today, too, like Baton Rouge. They're outliers, extreme outliers in some instances.
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