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re: Does anyone realize Trump having classified docs not illegal?
Posted on 8/27/22 at 5:03 pm to mmcgrath
Posted on 8/27/22 at 5:03 pm to mmcgrath
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Trump did is worse since he stole documents which contained defense and government secrets and actively tried to conceal / keep them from the government for over a year.
How did he steal them?
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Posted on 8/27/22 at 5:05 pm to lizlady68
Question. A document that has been classified has been stamped classified, correct? If a President does declassify a document does the document that is to be declassified then get another stamp showing declassified at that point? I’d like to know how all of this works, but you have “supposed leaders” in DC that seems not to know themselves.
Posted on 8/27/22 at 5:24 pm to mmcgrath
You’re factually wrong .Trump had docs secured which were known by the national archives.
He’s the president.
He’s allowed. Hillary wasn’t.
Wake the F up.
He’s the president.
He’s allowed. Hillary wasn’t.
Wake the F up.
This post was edited on 8/27/22 at 5:25 pm
Posted on 8/27/22 at 5:32 pm to lizlady68
I am sure someone else has pointed this out, but President Biden prohibited Trump from getting those briefings. For two reasons.
One, he never gave a damn about them when he was in office.
Two, couldn't trust him to not sell us down the river.
One, he never gave a damn about them when he was in office.
Two, couldn't trust him to not sell us down the river.
Posted on 8/27/22 at 5:33 pm to SouthEasternKaiju
quote:Well, over a long period of time she did.
If Trump committed a crime, Hillary committed mass murder.
Posted on 8/27/22 at 5:35 pm to exiledhogfan
Lol. Show us on the doll where Trump touched your wife. As if we don’t know, but I wanna hear you say it.
Posted on 8/27/22 at 5:38 pm to delta_zulu
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Breitbart
you are citing god-damned breitbart?
Posted on 8/27/22 at 5:48 pm to exiledhogfan
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Two, couldn't trust him to not sell us down the river.
If that’s what he really wanted to do, wouldn’t he have acquired enough “top secret” or “classified” info in four years to be able to do so many times over with or without any documents? What’s Joe keeping a few new tidbits from him really going to protect?
And yet he’s still walking free with plenty of such info to be able to sell us down the river RIGHT NOW. How do you sleep at night knowing this? Why’s the Biden Admin exposing us to this risk????
Posted on 8/27/22 at 5:49 pm to lizlady68
trump never represented me
Posted on 8/27/22 at 5:51 pm to exiledhogfan
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you are citing god-damned breitbart?
Everyone of you attack the source.
Where do you guys come from?
It’s not a coincidence at least two or three of y’all parachute in on these threads when your talking points are getting shredded.
Posted on 8/27/22 at 10:09 pm to lizlady68
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Wow your really a brainwashed sheeple
It was a test. Some failed.
Next time read the message with a non-bias attitude and you’ll see it was filled sarcasm.
Posted on 8/27/22 at 10:11 pm to CelticDog
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sci materials he had no right to move 1 inch
President is the ultimate authority on declassification
If he wants it declassified before leaving office all he has to do is say it. You’re alternate reality is unhealthy, illogical and void of facts and reason. Seek help Otto
Posted on 8/27/22 at 10:51 pm to memphisplaya
I don’t know what the guy’s talking about with this brainwashing business, but yeah i squirted the bed on that one myself. But what’s the plan again? Was it cutting edge field research?
This post was edited on 8/27/22 at 10:52 pm
Posted on 8/28/22 at 4:40 am to delta_zulu
quote:not according to the GSA.
This is patently false. Trump did not pack up these materials. Trump’s people did not pack it either. GSA packed and shipped the docs.
quote:
The General Services Administration, the federal agency charged with managing the government’s property, rebutted on Friday a claim made by former President Donald J. Trump’s aides that the agency had improperly packed hundreds of pages of documents with classified markings that were sent from the White House to Mr. Trump’s home in Florida when he left office.
The agency said that it had no role in packing the boxes.
The G.S.A.’s spokeswoman, Christina Wilkes said Friday that as is typical, “Members of the outgoing presidential transition team and their volunteers were responsible for packing items from the outgoing transition space into boxes.” She added, that “in this particular instance, the outgoing transition team was responsible for putting the boxes on pallets and shrink-wrapping each pallet.”
The agency said that while it was in charge of moving the boxes after they were packed, its personnel never examined the contents of the boxes, nor did it have any idea what was in them.
“As part of the services and support G.S.A. provides to all outgoing presidents, G.S.A. typically contracts for the transportation of items identified by the outgoing president as necessary to wind down the affairs of their office,” the agency said. “G.S.A. entered into a support contract in this particular instance for shipping of the pallets from Virginia to Florida — not for the packing of the boxes.”
Before the items were shipped by the G.S.A., it required members of Mr. Trump’s transition team “to certify in writing that the items being shipped were required to wind down the Office of the Former President and would be utilized as the office transitioned to its new location in Florida.”
Posted on 8/28/22 at 4:46 am to lizlady68
Do you realize that it doesn’t matter if they were declassified or not?
He was in possession of documents that belong to the United States of America. He was asked to return them and he refused.
I don’t understand why y’all are so bent out of shape about this. They (the government) wanted the documents back so they went to his house and took them back. Simple.
He was in possession of documents that belong to the United States of America. He was asked to return them and he refused.
I don’t understand why y’all are so bent out of shape about this. They (the government) wanted the documents back so they went to his house and took them back. Simple.
Posted on 8/28/22 at 5:03 am to BobBoucher
quote:yeah this is not true. at all.
Not only that, but the broad latitude granted in the presidential records act allows him sole discretion to determine what he wants to be a personal record - and thus keep.
For that reason, it’s impossible for him to be guilty of violating any statute.
and yeah I know about the Clinton sock drawer thing, that has no relevance here. what Clinton kept in his sock drawer were tapes with Taylor Branch, a Pulitzer prize winer, he wrote Clintons biography. that was something Clinton helped create, it was his life story, so of course he was allowed to label that as a personal record.
trump is accused of taking top secret documents meant for the office of The President. not donald trump mind you, The President, whoever happened to be President that day would have gotten the exact same file handed to them.
that is not something trump created, its not even something about him, in no way is that personal, it is the very definition of a Presidential record.
Posted on 8/28/22 at 6:54 am to Dreamville
You don’t know any of what you just said.
Still doesn’t matter. Everything at MAR is declassified if Trump says it is. Therefore, it is impossible for a law to be broken.
Still doesn’t matter. Everything at MAR is declassified if Trump says it is. Therefore, it is impossible for a law to be broken.
Posted on 8/28/22 at 7:04 am to BobBoucher
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Not only that, but the broad latitude granted in the presidential records act allows him sole discretion to determine what he wants to be a personal record - and thus keep.
But the evil psychos control the media and the narrative, simpletons will never realize this fact.
Posted on 8/28/22 at 7:16 am to lsufan31
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Do you realize that it doesn’t matter if they were declassified or not?
Well, if Trump had classified documents that he wasn't legally allowed to have, then it would matter.
And if he doesn't, well than the government has no right.
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He was in possession of documents that belong to the United States of America. He was asked to return them and he refused.
He was asked by the national archives to give them a number of boxes.
So two things.
First Trump decides what is his and what goes to the archive. Not the government.
Two, if there is a question, it is a civil issue, not a legal issue. This means the fbi had no right to take the documents.
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don’t understand why y’all are so bent out of shape about this. They (the government) wanted the documents back so they went to his house and took them back. Simple
People are annoyed because the government had no right to go in and grab those documents.
They are upset because if the government can go into a former Presidents house and grab documents they have no right to grab, they can do it to anyone else, much easier.
The government, in a politically motivated attack, utilized the doj and the fbi to incorrectly raid someone's home and steal documents.
I don't understand why everyone isn't admitted by this.
Posted on 8/28/22 at 7:26 am to Dreamville
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yeah this is not true. at all.
Usually when I liberal starts off with this everything that follows is wrong.
quote:
yeah I know about the Clinton sock drawer thing, that has no relevance here. what Clinton kept in his sock drawer were tapes with Taylor Branch, a Pulitzer prize winer, he wrote Clintons biography. that was something Clinton helped create, it was his life story, so of course he was allowed to label that as a personal record.
Actually it has everything to do here because of the reasoning behind this. Did you read it?
It said the former president is the one that decides what is our is not a personal item.
Note the period.
It didn't say sometimes the president decides. He said the former president decides.
So while on your opinion the records are not personal, that doesn't matter because the law says that your opinion is not important. It says bidens opinion doesn't matter. Garlands opinion doesn't matter.
The only person who decides this is the former president.
That is w why when the national archives wanted records back, there is no criminal status for this. It is a civil one. One that is ready for a former president by getting dismissed simply be saying no, these are my records and go away like Clinton did.
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that is not something trump created, its not even something about him, in no way is that personal, it is the very definition of a Presidential record.
That is sweet. That is your opinion.
That may be the opinion of every other person in this country except Donald Trump.
And that is all irrelevant. Because you know who decides what is personal and what is not?
The former president.
They need to have laws like this in place because there will be disputes like in this case and in the Clinton case.
And legal precedent states that the former president is the final arbiter.
It doesn't say the former president except for Trump.
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