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re: Does anyone realize Trump having classified docs not illegal?
Posted on 8/28/22 at 7:31 am to Dreamville
Posted on 8/28/22 at 7:31 am to Dreamville
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Dreamville
Member since Aug 2022
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Posted on 8/28/22 at 7:33 am to thetempleowl
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, if Trump had classified documents that he wasn't legally allowed to have,
Explain to me how this is possible?
So you are telling us their is a higher authority in the USA than the President? Who might that person be? What documents would they be allowed to have but the President would not?
Posted on 8/28/22 at 7:37 am to mmcgrath
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what Trump did is worse since he stole documents which contained defense and government secrets
Actually no. You see the government decided those documents were no longer classified or secret.
So the government decided those documents could be seen by anyone including the homeless person down the street and even putin.
And that is not in dispute.
The fbi knows they were marked to secret, etc. But they know that legally they can't prove Trump didn't declassify them so when he said he declassified them, they have to take his word.
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actively tried to conceal / keep them from the government for over a year. We still don't know if everything was recovered.
He let the fbi see the documents in June.
If you are saying he tried to conceal them that is crazy.
And he kept them from the government?
You need to specify.
He kept them from the national archives which wanted them.
Do you know who decides what goes to the national archives and what the president gets to keep?
Because there are going to be disputes.
The final arbiter here is the former president.
That is why these dispute are civil and not criminal issues which the president can get dismissed without even going to court by saying no, these are mine.
Posted on 8/28/22 at 8:11 am to thetempleowl
quote:oh my good lord.
Actually it has everything to do here because of the reasoning behind this. Did you read it? It said the former president is the one that decides what is our is not a personal item. Note the period. It didn't say sometimes the president decides. He said the former president decides.
you cant be serious.
ok for starters, thats not what it says. what it says is...
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Under the statutory scheme established by the PRA, the decision to segregate personal materials from Presidential records is made by the President, during the President's term and in his sole discretion, see44 U.S.C. § 2203(b), so the Deputy Archivist could not and did not make a classification decision that can be challenged here.
thats about filing at NARA. its about separating personal materials from Presidential records. I have no idea where you got the idea that the President could just make things up on a whim, but the terms are clearly defined in 44 U.S.C. § 2201and clearly different.
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The term "Presidential records" means documentary materials, or any reasonably segregable portion thereof, created or received by the President, the President's immediate staff, or a unit or individual of the Executive Office of the President whose function is to advise or assist the President, in the course of conducting activities which relate to or have an effect upon the carrying out of the constitutional, statutory, or other official or ceremonial duties of the President. Such term-
includes any documentary materials relating to the political activities of the President or members of the President's staff, but only if such activities relate to or have a direct effect upon the carrying out of constitutional, statutory, or other official or ceremonial duties of the President
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The term "personal records" means all documentary materials, or any reasonably segregable portion thereof, of a purely private or nonpublic character which do not relate to or have an effect upon the carrying out of the constitutional, statutory, or other official or ceremonial duties of the President. Such term includes-
(A) diaries, journals, or other personal notes serving as the functional equivalent of a diary or journal which are not prepared or utilized for, or circulated or communicated in the course of, transacting Government business;
(B) materials relating to private political associations, and having no relation to or direct effect upon the carrying out of constitutional, statutory, or other official or ceremonial duties of the President
so, to recap, top secret documents are not "personal records". never. never ever. not even close.
Posted on 8/28/22 at 8:26 am to Ponchy Tiger
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Explain to me how this is possible?
So you are telling us their is a higher authority in the USA than the President? Who might that person be? What documents would they be allowed to have but the President would not?
That is exactly correct.
If he had documents that he wasn't allowed to have it would be illegal.
Since he decides and can see everything, it is OK.
I said if. If wasnt meant.
Posted on 8/28/22 at 8:30 am to Dreamville
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to recap, top secret documents are not "personal records". never. never ever. not even close.
They were not top secret.
And I see you decide what is or is not a personal record.
Oh, no, you said the president decides.
So I don't understand.
They give examples and then say that the president is ultimate arbiter.
Also these decisions are civil matters not legal.
Therefore the fbi and doj should not be involved.
Do you understand? No, of course not.
Posted on 8/28/22 at 8:31 am to lizlady68
Yes, the Deep State knows this and knows there isn’t going to be a prosecution. The raid was about property retrieval and creating another 2 year smear campaign like the Russian hoax. Muh classified documents !
This post was edited on 8/28/22 at 8:48 am
Posted on 8/28/22 at 8:32 am to Wolfhound45
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Dreamville
Member since Aug 2022
10 posts
Do these people ever show up with propaganda from the opposite side of the aisle? Seems like we may have had one here or there but the vast majority always have TDS and are alway parroting whatever the turnip's handlers are putting out.
Posted on 8/28/22 at 8:34 am to Dreamville
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and yeah I know about the Clinton sock drawer thing, that has no relevance here.
Are you familiar with the court ruling? Because I believe that has absolute relevance, and more importantly, legal precedent.
And that’s only one aspect.
The statute itself wasn’t written as criminal code. It’s quite impossible to charge a crime for the one statute that describes how presidential records should be handled.
Hence the sillly espionage act attempt.
This post was edited on 8/28/22 at 8:35 am
Posted on 8/28/22 at 8:36 am to lizlady68
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yes when he leaves things should be secured but it is a disgrace the discrimination in the treatment of Trump compared to all our other former Presidents
none of the others were taking top secret docs that should be in a special room only to leave them at a beach club.
deal with specifics. bringing
sci materials outside the sci is a crime.
no potus else did that.
ever. that's the discrimination. discrimination between innocent and apparently guilty.
he begs you to see him as victim.
his first job description is con man.
con is from confidence.
he got you to have confidence in him so you overlook the scam and crime. Con man trump
This post was edited on 8/28/22 at 8:43 am
Posted on 8/28/22 at 8:37 am to Dreamville
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I have no idea where you got the idea that the President could just make things up on a whim, but the terms are clearly defined in 44 U.S.C. § 2201and clearly different.
Which section of that code, specifically, describes the powers of the president to declassify documents. You have made some very specific allegations of what a President must do to declassify. Please post the code section that you relied upon. Because court precedent and all experts (until Trump) completely disagree with your assertions.
Posted on 8/28/22 at 8:38 am to CelticDog
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deal with specifics. bringing sci materials outside the sci is a crime.
Is this what at you have shifted to? It’s not selling nuclear secrets to foreign countries anymore?
Posted on 8/28/22 at 8:38 am to CelticDog
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none of the others were stealing top secret docs that should be in a special room only to leave them at a beach club.
Hillary’s server was allegedly hacked. . Her husband is the one that allegedly shared info with the Chinese.
This post was edited on 8/28/22 at 8:40 am
Posted on 8/28/22 at 8:42 am to CelticDog
Annnnnnd,
Neither was Trump you card carrying, pedo loving, taint licking imbecile.
Neither was Trump you card carrying, pedo loving, taint licking imbecile.
Posted on 8/28/22 at 8:46 am to BBONDS25
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Hillary’s server was allegedly hacked. . Her husband is the one that allegedly shared info with the Chinese.
and should you bother to read Ottothewise post from February 2016 you will observe I was among the first on TD and then frequent to call for her indictment.
Posted on 8/28/22 at 8:55 am to thetempleowl
quote:dude I ask this with nothing but love in my heart but are you fricking retarded? you need to tell me now so I can adjust my insults accordingly.
They were not top secret.
And I see you decide what is or is not a personal record.
Oh, no, you said the president decides.
So I don't understand.
They give examples and then say that the president is ultimate arbiter.
Also these decisions are civil matters not legal.
Therefore the fbi and doj should not be involved.
Do you understand? No, of course not.
Posted on 8/28/22 at 8:59 am to Dreamville
Find another place to troll. You suck at it.
Posted on 8/28/22 at 9:22 am to lizlady68
Many people believe that the deep state is so much smarter than the rest of us. This stunt of raiding MAL is just that, a stunt. It will go no where legally. Every President has the absolute right to declassify anything he chooses. 
Posted on 8/28/22 at 9:24 am to CelticDog
Weak.
Posted on 8/28/22 at 9:26 am to Dreamville
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dude I ask this with nothing but love in my heart but are you fricking retarded? you need to tell me now so I can adjust my insults accordingly.
That didn’t take long. You might not be cut out for this board. Perhaps try the soccer board.
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