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They were not top secret.

And I see you decide what is or is not a personal record.

Oh, no, you said the president decides.

So I don't understand.

They give examples and then say that the president is ultimate arbiter.

Also these decisions are civil matters not legal.

Therefore the fbi and doj should not be involved.

Do you understand? No, of course not.

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dude I ask this with nothing but love in my heart but are you fricking retarded? you need to tell me now so I can adjust my insults accordingly.

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Doesn't matter.

You understand he could have declassified the launch codes for nuclear misled and given them to putin and that would be legal.

This is why the former president can't be guilty of that act, because he decides what is classified or not.

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wow. I mean. There is dumb, and then theres dumb, and then theres this.

I cant believe I even have to say this, but no, the President is not allowed to give our launch codes to our enemies.

what on earth are you talking about?

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Yeah, that is exactly what he did. You figured it out. Congratulations.

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when trump goes away in cuffs you are gonna be sittin in a corner hugging your knees and rocking back and forth, mumbling "but he declassified it, all he has to do is blink at something and its declassified..."

its not true. I have no idea where you people got this idea. you sound ridiculous. he cant declassify nuclear information. he cant declassify the identities of spies. he cant declassify intel controlled by the sender. he cant declassify things through clairvoyance.

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What does her criminal act have to do with President Trump's declassification of documents while POTUS Not a thing..so moot point.

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you seriously need to get it through your head that there is no evidence that anything he took was ever declassified, but more importantly...

IT DOES NOT MATTER EITHER WAY.

two of the laws the search warrant referred to — Sections 1519 and 2071 of Title 18 — make taking government records a crime regardless of whether they were classified or not.

the third law, section 793 is the Espionage Act, which makes no reference to whether a document is or ever was classified. "Instead, it makes it a crime to retain, without authorization, documents related to the national defense that could be used to harm the United States or aid a foreign adversary."

there is no question trump broke all three of these laws, the simple fact that he returned some top secret docs is proof that he had them. and he wasnt framed, it wasnt the deep state, it wasnt demons, for some unknown reason he just wanted these files, and so he stole them.

some of y'all need to come to terms with the fact that trump is a dead man walkin. what the DOJ has is air tight, there is no question that trump took top secret documents he had no business with, and then wouldn't give them back when asked for over a year.

Reality Winner got 5 years in jail for taking one page. trump took 700, at least. and he is not the President anymore, he has no security clearance, he has no cover for this, him taking these records is no different than you or I taking them.

hes fricked just for having them, and we havent even gotten into WHY he had them yet, why he would take records that fall under the espionage act, what he did with them, who he showed them too.

I know you people dont like it, but you need to open your eyes and deal with reality so you dont lose your minds when you see him in cuffs.

this is it. this is as far as he goes.

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Not only that, but the broad latitude granted in the presidential records act allows him sole discretion to determine what he wants to be a personal record - and thus keep.

For that reason, it’s impossible for him to be guilty of violating any statute.

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yeah this is not true. at all.

and yeah I know about the Clinton sock drawer thing, that has no relevance here. what Clinton kept in his sock drawer were tapes with Taylor Branch, a Pulitzer prize winer, he wrote Clintons biography. that was something Clinton helped create, it was his life story, so of course he was allowed to label that as a personal record.

trump is accused of taking top secret documents meant for the office of The President. not donald trump mind you, The President, whoever happened to be President that day would have gotten the exact same file handed to them.

that is not something trump created, its not even something about him, in no way is that personal, it is the very definition of a Presidential record.

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This is patently false. Trump did not pack up these materials. Trump’s people did not pack it either. GSA packed and shipped the docs.

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not according to the GSA.

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The General Services Administration, the federal agency charged with managing the government’s property, rebutted on Friday a claim made by former President Donald J. Trump’s aides that the agency had improperly packed hundreds of pages of documents with classified markings that were sent from the White House to Mr. Trump’s home in Florida when he left office.

The agency said that it had no role in packing the boxes.

The G.S.A.’s spokeswoman, Christina Wilkes said Friday that as is typical, “Members of the outgoing presidential transition team and their volunteers were responsible for packing items from the outgoing transition space into boxes.” She added, that “in this particular instance, the outgoing transition team was responsible for putting the boxes on pallets and shrink-wrapping each pallet.”

The agency said that while it was in charge of moving the boxes after they were packed, its personnel never examined the contents of the boxes, nor did it have any idea what was in them.

“As part of the services and support G.S.A. provides to all outgoing presidents, G.S.A. typically contracts for the transportation of items identified by the outgoing president as necessary to wind down the affairs of their office,” the agency said. “G.S.A. entered into a support contract in this particular instance for shipping of the pallets from Virginia to Florida — not for the packing of the boxes.”

Before the items were shipped by the G.S.A., it required members of Mr. Trump’s transition team “to certify in writing that the items being shipped were required to wind down the Office of the Former President and would be utilized as the office transitioned to its new location in Florida.”

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