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re: Does anyone else find themselves questioning a lot of the Civil Rights propaganda…
Posted on 9/12/25 at 9:20 am to burger bearcat
Posted on 9/12/25 at 9:20 am to burger bearcat
congrats on waking up
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Posted on 9/12/25 at 9:20 am to crazy4lsu
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I think you guys are not understanding how popular the Enlightenment conception of human rights actually is.
I think you should go back and read the post I responded to. You're all over the place.
Posted on 9/12/25 at 9:21 am to Strannix
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Africans hundreds of years ago would prefer to be kidnapped and enslaved rather than continue to live their lives in Africa at the time.
You know it was blacks that kidnapped and sold them right?
And whites kidnapped and sold whites.
We were able to overcome that with opportunity and more importantly TIME.
If aliens came down right now and invaded earth with superior technology we would be powerless to fight against it.
Thats sorta what happened to Africa.
We didnt colonize the world as a favor, we did it to extract resources for our own benefit.
Posted on 9/12/25 at 9:21 am to burger bearcat
Yes, all the time
Posted on 9/12/25 at 9:22 am to Corinthians420
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We didnt colonize the world as a favor, we did it to extract resources for our own benefit.
Why did we end the trans Atlantic slave trade?
Posted on 9/12/25 at 9:27 am to Dawgfanman
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Why did we end the trans Atlantic slave trade?
A lot of people in our country wanted slavery to end because it conflicted with our declaration of independence and also just morals.
We certainly didnt do it to help Africa if thats what youre suggesting
This post was edited on 9/12/25 at 9:28 am
Posted on 9/12/25 at 9:28 am to Flats
I mean, you guys keep retreating to the ‘not everyone agrees on what human rights are’ without acknowledging the reach that that particular conception of human rights had, especially in the post-colonial world. That an individual person may not agree with a particular formulation of human rights isn’t really instructive to the formulation that has made it into constitution after constitution.
Posted on 9/12/25 at 9:31 am to Rex Feral
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It defiantly sucked to be black in America. Don't try to reframe it.
Yet it was still better than being black in Africa. If we judge a tree by its fruits...what are the fruits of the Civil Rights era?
I dont know what to believe about what REALLY happened during those days. Things have been sensationalized to a crazy degree. Im sure there were some innocent people who got bad outcomes...and also some bad people who got bad outcomes.
Posted on 9/12/25 at 9:34 am to crazy4lsu
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I mean, you guys keep retreating to the ‘not everyone agrees on what human rights are’
Stating the truth is "retreating"?
You're a clown.
Posted on 9/12/25 at 9:37 am to burger bearcat
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The whole narrative of a bunch of angry white racists filled with hate. That entire era just seems completely fake and contrived to me, and now I find myself even questioning a lot of the slavery narratives and level of brutality surrounding it compared to anywhere else in the world at the time.
My family members alive at the time told me there was more rioting by blacks than the media presented. I had family members camped out at white schools to keep the blacks from burning and looting them.
Of course, this won't keep the dumbasses from taking a single incident, like a picture of a segregated fountain or a whipped slave, and pretending that that means the entire narrative we were fed by the media and biased historians is true.
There has always been more hate flowing from blacks towards whites than vice versa. But some people, whether they are a loser contrarian or possess suicidal empathy for criminals, will never admit that the mainstream narratives are filled with lies.
Posted on 9/12/25 at 9:39 am to Flats
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Stating the truth is "retreating"?
It is what you believe to be true, but again, it isn’t supported by the evidence on hand, as in what people have actually written and supported and took time to put into their newly constructed constitutions. Yet time and again, they put the same rights and references to rights over and over, and without any specific reference, I’m supposed to believe there is any evidence that ‘not everyone agrees on what human rights are.’ Again, by virtue of what several people felt was important enough to put to paper, broadly, we can say that we do have an agreement on human rights and those rights derive from the Enlightenment.
Look, I suspect you aren’t operating in good-faith all that much, but you desperately need to read a book or something. And then learn how to argue and support a point with actual evidence, as simply repeating a statement and assuming it is true isn’t a standard for discussing a point.
This post was edited on 9/12/25 at 9:41 am
Posted on 9/12/25 at 9:41 am to crazy4lsu
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It is what you believe to be true,
It's demonstrably true.
Posted on 9/12/25 at 9:42 am to Corinthians420
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A lot of people in our country wanted slavery to end because it conflicted with our declaration of independence and also just morals.
It benefited the British too.
Posted on 9/12/25 at 9:43 am to burger bearcat
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The truth you probably won’t hear, is many black people actually liked segregation.
I have actually heard older blacks make this claim but I don't really buy it. In particular they mention the larger portions at "Colored" lunch counters. But I strongly suspect that they are just embarrassed that they tolerated it for so long. They shouldn't be embarrassed but the subconscious works as it will
Posted on 9/12/25 at 9:45 am to burger bearcat
Let me be frank.
I do not believe anyone should have fewer rights because of the color of their skin…
However! I do believe there needs to be required checkpoints to receive the right to vote.
I don’t think it is right that people who own no property get to vote on if property taxes are a thing.
I don’t think people who lack simple reading and comprehension skills should be able to vote.
I am close to saying that people on a certain amount of government benefits should also not be allowed to vote.
Would that create a situation where one race has a smaller percentage of their members voting? Yes. But that’s a cultural problem.
I do not believe anyone should have fewer rights because of the color of their skin…
However! I do believe there needs to be required checkpoints to receive the right to vote.
I don’t think it is right that people who own no property get to vote on if property taxes are a thing.
I don’t think people who lack simple reading and comprehension skills should be able to vote.
I am close to saying that people on a certain amount of government benefits should also not be allowed to vote.
Would that create a situation where one race has a smaller percentage of their members voting? Yes. But that’s a cultural problem.
Posted on 9/12/25 at 9:46 am to burger bearcat
Did Decarlos Brown End the Civil Rights Era in America?
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Most people up in arms about the shocking, brutal, and utterly senseless slaughter of a beautiful 23-year-old Ukrainian refugee on a light rail train in Charlotte by a deranged predator who bragged “I got the white girl! I got the white girl!” after he’d plunged his knife repeatedly into her neck don’t realize that the murder happened three weeks ago. (RELATED: She Fled the Ukraine War for Safety. America Delivered Her to a Killer.) It was only over the weekend, when the video, not just of Decarlos Brown’s heinous act of racial animus, but of its aftermath, surfaced, that the case of Iryna Zarutska lit the country on fire. You shouldn’t be surprised that the legacy corporate propaganda press tried to suppress the Charlotte train murder story. It’s the kind of ultra-sensational case that breaks apart narratives and forms new ones — and the new narratives are entirely the wrong ones from the standpoint of our status quo media elites. (RELATED: Charlotte Murderer Who Killed Ukrainian Refugee Shares Family Ties to Another Convicted Killer)
Posted on 9/12/25 at 9:47 am to Corinthians420
There’s this myth that European colonialism was the big bad white man coming in with superior technology and dominating the natives. The technology gap didn’t really become that drastic until the mid to late 19th century. Colonialism was basically the colonizer exploiting decentralized areas through diplomacy and fighting off smaller bands of armies under princes or leaders.
You can call Sub-Saharan Africa backwards but it’s kingdoms were able to conduct trades across oceans and resist European colonialism until they literally brought over machine guns and breech loading rifles sooo
You can call Sub-Saharan Africa backwards but it’s kingdoms were able to conduct trades across oceans and resist European colonialism until they literally brought over machine guns and breech loading rifles sooo
This post was edited on 9/12/25 at 9:49 am
Posted on 9/12/25 at 9:47 am to Flats
Okay, then actually make that argument. Repeating that statement won’t suffice. Even something like the Cairo Declaration has overlaps with European conceptions of human rights rather than specifically Islamic conceptions. That statement might be what you believe to be true, but your particular conception isn’t meaningful to the broad conception, nor is it meaningful to reference the same sentence over and over again without some supporting evidence. At this point, it feels like your lack of awareness is what you think supports your point, and not some actual, popular conception of a different notion of what it means to be human.
Posted on 9/12/25 at 9:48 am to burger bearcat
You can't take away someone's civil rights in order to give someone else civil rights....
Posted on 9/12/25 at 9:59 am to burger bearcat
There are plenty of 70+ AA and white adults that can speak on the subject. It would be incredibly ignorant to question something when you can just go out and talk to people who lived through it.
This is long, but here are some stories from my neighbor who I have been lucky to have many deep conversations with. She is about 82:
1) when she was young, she was able to play with other white children who lived on the nearby farms, but when she turned 13, she was told she could not walk beside them anymore, only behind, and had to address them as Ms. She said this was devastating at the time and she did not have friends again until college.
2) her first job was at a seamstress shop during her teens. Anytime a customer came into the store, she had to go to the back so she would not be looked upon. She was paid 25% of what white employees were paid in the same position.
3) her family rented and farmed a portion of the land that her great (or maybe great-great?) grandparents lived as slaves. This was in Coushatta.
4) She saved and went to Grambling since an HBCU was all that was allowed. However, she did get a good education and she became a teacher at an all black Highschool in Baton Rouge.
4) she didn’t start voting until she was about 30. She said she tried sooner, but there were a lot of fights that broke out, people harassing others, occasional KKK protests etc., and it was just safer to avoid it.
5) After moving to Baton Rouge, she married and had her first child. This was after segregation ended legally - but it lingered in Baton Rouge longer and she still had to change his diapers in “black only” bathrooms that she said were hardly ever cleaned. She did not go out much when he was young for this reason. (She is one of the cleanest people I have ever met). This was in the mid 60s.
6) Later, she went back to school for her masters. After obtaining her masters, she was offered a job at an all white school (this would have been early 70s), but after accepting, received so many death threat phone calls and letters against her and her family, that she declined. She said the job offer was double what she was making and would have been life changing at the time. She did not work in a mixed school until the early 80s.
7) when her husband was a child, his family moved to BR in the middle of the night because his uncle was confronted after talking to a white woman outside of a diner. This was somewhere in N Mississippi. They fled, leaving behind friends/furniture, etc.
8) He became a brick mason and started his own business. For a long time, the only way to get jobs, was to come in about 50% what the white competition would offer. This changed at some point in the 80s/90s and his company became much more respected based off their work alone.
9) they lived in all black areas until about the early 80s, when they chose a more mixed area with better schools for their children.
She had 3 children. They went to decent public schools, then a college of their choice, and went on to have great careers. Aside from going to HSs that had different proms/yearbook pages for whites/blacks, many instances where they were called the N words in public places, etc, the three children grew up with much less racism in their lives. They are between 45-60 now.
Her grandkids have not experienced racism on any level at all that she is aware of. They go to good schools in different areas (some private/some public) and have friends of all races.
This is long, but here are some stories from my neighbor who I have been lucky to have many deep conversations with. She is about 82:
1) when she was young, she was able to play with other white children who lived on the nearby farms, but when she turned 13, she was told she could not walk beside them anymore, only behind, and had to address them as Ms. She said this was devastating at the time and she did not have friends again until college.
2) her first job was at a seamstress shop during her teens. Anytime a customer came into the store, she had to go to the back so she would not be looked upon. She was paid 25% of what white employees were paid in the same position.
3) her family rented and farmed a portion of the land that her great (or maybe great-great?) grandparents lived as slaves. This was in Coushatta.
4) She saved and went to Grambling since an HBCU was all that was allowed. However, she did get a good education and she became a teacher at an all black Highschool in Baton Rouge.
4) she didn’t start voting until she was about 30. She said she tried sooner, but there were a lot of fights that broke out, people harassing others, occasional KKK protests etc., and it was just safer to avoid it.
5) After moving to Baton Rouge, she married and had her first child. This was after segregation ended legally - but it lingered in Baton Rouge longer and she still had to change his diapers in “black only” bathrooms that she said were hardly ever cleaned. She did not go out much when he was young for this reason. (She is one of the cleanest people I have ever met). This was in the mid 60s.
6) Later, she went back to school for her masters. After obtaining her masters, she was offered a job at an all white school (this would have been early 70s), but after accepting, received so many death threat phone calls and letters against her and her family, that she declined. She said the job offer was double what she was making and would have been life changing at the time. She did not work in a mixed school until the early 80s.
7) when her husband was a child, his family moved to BR in the middle of the night because his uncle was confronted after talking to a white woman outside of a diner. This was somewhere in N Mississippi. They fled, leaving behind friends/furniture, etc.
8) He became a brick mason and started his own business. For a long time, the only way to get jobs, was to come in about 50% what the white competition would offer. This changed at some point in the 80s/90s and his company became much more respected based off their work alone.
9) they lived in all black areas until about the early 80s, when they chose a more mixed area with better schools for their children.
She had 3 children. They went to decent public schools, then a college of their choice, and went on to have great careers. Aside from going to HSs that had different proms/yearbook pages for whites/blacks, many instances where they were called the N words in public places, etc, the three children grew up with much less racism in their lives. They are between 45-60 now.
Her grandkids have not experienced racism on any level at all that she is aware of. They go to good schools in different areas (some private/some public) and have friends of all races.
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