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re: Does anyone believe Charlie kirk was shot with a 30.06?
Posted on 12/11/25 at 11:49 am to Schleynole
Posted on 12/11/25 at 11:49 am to Schleynole
The most hilarious thing going on right now in the influencer world is this debate
All the established, long-term conservative gun guys on YT, X, etc. are going "yeah probably." People who run ammo companies, people who went to war, so forth.
All the pencil necked guys who came from nowhere and have no bonafides on guns, conservative politics, etc. but "miraculously" got 1m followers in the span of a couple of years are attempting to argue with them and call them fakes.
All the established, long-term conservative gun guys on YT, X, etc. are going "yeah probably." People who run ammo companies, people who went to war, so forth.
All the pencil necked guys who came from nowhere and have no bonafides on guns, conservative politics, etc. but "miraculously" got 1m followers in the span of a couple of years are attempting to argue with them and call them fakes.
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Posted on 12/11/25 at 11:50 am to Pettifogger
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need to shut down the internet for a while to save what's left of the conservative movement
More important for you would be buy a gun and learn how to shoot
Posted on 12/11/25 at 11:51 am to Schleynole
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Ballistics 101: The Reality Nobody Wants to Hear
Here’s the truth: Bullets do not behave like they do in Hollywood. The path a bullet takes…and whether it exits…depends on dozens of variables.
Let’s break down the biggest ones:
1. Bullet Design Matters More Than Caliber A full-metal jacket .30-06 may pass through cleanly with a small entry and small exit. A soft-point hunting round may expand violently and leave a massive wound. A hollow-point may fragment and lodge internally…leaving no exit wound at all. Same caliber. Different outcomes.
2. Bone Changes Everything Hit soft tissue? Higher chance of exit. Hit dense bone (collar bone/clavicle…shoulder blade/scapula…etc.)? Bullet can fragment…tumble…or stop entirely. Fragmentation often leaves multiple projectiles inside the body.
3. Angle of Impact Straight shot vs. oblique angle = totally different outcomes. A bullet striking ribs at an angle can ricochet…change trajectory…and stop short.
4. Distance and Velocity A .30-06 is high velocity…yes…but velocity drops with distance. Energy dissipates differently depending on range…angle…and tissue encountered.
LINK
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Case Studies That Kill the Myth
This isn’t theory. We have documented cases…real medical and forensic reports…that prove “no exit wound” happens even with high-powered rifles.
Uganda (AK-47…rifle round…27-year-old woman): Shot in the face…bullet lodged in her neck. CT confirmed no exit wound. [Journal of Medical Case Reports]
U.S. pediatric case (13-year-old girl): Rifle cartridge lodged in abdomen. Retained until surgery. No exit wound.[PACR Journal]
Forensic review (2022): Large review of gunshot wounds shows retained bullets are common…fragmentation…bone strikes…and tissue drag prevent exit even in rifle wounds. [PMC 9462949]
Thoracoabdominal case (autopsy, 2022): Bullet traversed chest and abdomen but remained lodged. Exit not guaranteed. [MDPI Diagnostics]
Translation: if you think “.30-06 = always exit,” you’re ignoring documented medical reality.
Posted on 12/11/25 at 11:51 am to The1TrueTiger
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what else is there?
All guns are not the same. I don't use my 30.06 to shoot deer because it messes the deer up to bad. 30.06 is extremely powerful
Posted on 12/11/25 at 11:52 am to Schleynole
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More important for you would be buy a gun and learn how to shoot
Oh? Can you help me pick something out?
Maybe like a fully automatic machine Glock?
Posted on 12/11/25 at 11:52 am to Schleynole
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There was no exit wound
Ok. I've shot a bunch of deer that had no exit wound and the round was designed to do exactly that and leave a bigger exit than entrance wound. Bullets can deflect and travel perpendicular to line of the shot staying lodged in the cavity of the target.
Posted on 12/11/25 at 11:53 am to Schleynole
LMAO, it's one of the most extensively used cartridges for deer in the country.
Posted on 12/11/25 at 11:55 am to SETH6180
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LMAO, it's one of the most extensively used cartridges for deer in the country.
but it "messes up the deers to much", or so very accomplished hunters and firearms experts have told me
Posted on 12/11/25 at 11:59 am to the808bass
quote:
Ballistics 101: The Reality Nobody Wants to Hear
Here’s the truth: Bullets do not behave like they do in Hollywood. The path a bullet takes…and whether it exits…depends on dozens of variables.
Let’s break down the biggest ones:
1. Bullet Design Matters More Than Caliber A full-metal jacket .30-06 may pass through cleanly with a small entry and small exit. A soft-point hunting round may expand violently and leave a massive wound. A hollow-point may fragment and lodge internally…leaving no exit wound at all. Same caliber. Different outcomes.
2. Bone Changes Everything Hit soft tissue? Higher chance of exit. Hit dense bone (collar bone/clavicle…shoulder blade/scapula…etc.)? Bullet can fragment…tumble…or stop entirely. Fragmentation often leaves multiple projectiles inside the body.
3. Angle of Impact Straight shot vs. oblique angle = totally different outcomes. A bullet striking ribs at an angle can ricochet…change trajectory…and stop short.
I've been deer hunting for nearly 40 years and have had this discussion many times before CK was murdered about weird things bullets do when killing deer.
We cleaned a deer one time that was hit perfect on the shoulder, no exit wound and the bullet fell out of it's neck when we pulled the hide down. It hit the mark, turned 90 degrees, traveled 2.5-3' and stopped perfectly between the skin and neck meat. That's probably the most remarkable one I remember.
Posted on 12/11/25 at 12:01 pm to Schleynole
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I don't use my 30.06 to shoot deer because it messes the deer up to bad.
When you miss. In college my friend missed high on a deer and took a chunk of the spine above the shoulder from about 300 yards. Screwed up the back strap.
This post was edited on 12/11/25 at 12:04 pm
Posted on 12/11/25 at 12:03 pm to Schleynole
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Have you ever killed anything with a 30.06? If so what kind of animal and how
big was the exit wound?
I hunt every year with one to start every year. Depending on where you hit, it will routinely go right through a deer with the entrance and exit wound about the same - and that’s with copper impact (which is made to expand).
If it’s FMJ it won’t expand on a soft target.
Edit: Deer hunters don’t want to use a round that’s going to blow out the back side of a deer and waste all the meat.
But a 30.06 is a terrible gun to shoot someone with. It’s heavy as shite and has significant recoil. Your first shot can be done, but follow ups are a PITA.
This post was edited on 12/11/25 at 12:08 pm
Posted on 12/11/25 at 12:05 pm to Schleynole
quote:So let's see if we've got the Kirk conspiracy thing down.
That's just as absurd as saying it was a 30.06.
Some very well-connected associations of Mossad, the CIA, the FBI, TurningPoint, and/or others plotted his assassination, including the incorporation of a cooperative patsy, but the gun they planted could not possibly be the actual weapon?
Doesn't make much sense, does it?
Posted on 12/11/25 at 12:07 pm to Schleynole
quote:link? The video of him getting shot shows a bullet going all the way through his neck.
There was no exit wound
Posted on 12/11/25 at 12:08 pm to Schleynole
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There was no exit wound
How do you know this?
I’ve seen nothing that said there was no exit wound. The autopsy was not released.
Anything besides that is all speculation and you don’t know shite for ballistics.
You don’t know what weight the bullet was.
Posted on 12/11/25 at 12:10 pm to NC_Tigah
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Some very well-connected associations of Mossad, the CIA, the FBI, TurningPoint, and/or others plotted his assassination, including the incorporation of a cooperative patsy, but the gun they planted could not possibly be the actual weapon?
They’re very sophisticated. But also not.
Posted on 12/11/25 at 12:11 pm to bbvdd
There was an interview from one of his security guys who said there was no exit wound. They immediately got him in an SUV and drove to the hospital
Posted on 12/11/25 at 12:12 pm to Schleynole
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I don't use my 30.06 to shoot deer because it messes the deer up to bad. 30.06 is extremely powerful
Posted on 12/11/25 at 12:13 pm to Pettifogger
Get a revolver for your first handgun. And don't get a hand cannon, find something that does not have much recoil. Perhaps shoot .38s out of a .357.
Posted on 12/11/25 at 12:13 pm to Schleynole
I don't. But I believe very little of what the government and less of what the media tells me these days.
Posted on 12/11/25 at 12:14 pm to LegendInMyMind
"but but Ian Carroll says..."
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