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re: Do you support Elon Musks push for high speed rail?
Posted on 6/26/24 at 1:01 pm to BuckI
Posted on 6/26/24 at 1:01 pm to BuckI
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This will increase the need for truck drivers to haul freight to load the trains.
The fact you think HSR carries freight says you should probably do a little research before opining.
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Posted on 6/26/24 at 1:01 pm to Cheese Grits
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PS, think of Salk
Salk wasn’t exactly poor and he received a boatload of donations to run his institute.
Have you seen where the Salk Institute is? It’s unbelievable.
What Salk did was amazing, but profiting off of companies you create does not make you a Bond villain.
This post was edited on 6/26/24 at 1:02 pm
Posted on 6/26/24 at 1:10 pm to Florida_Man1981
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Go live in Europe or Seoul for a couple months and see how much better life is with a functioning rail system.
European rail works, in part, because Western and Central Europe are so dense. Rail cannot work across vast stretches of the US, but it absolutely could work in specific regions, especially if paired with a great plan for how to move people around once they reach their destination. The biggest issues are, and have been:
1. Existing railroad companies having ownership of the tracks.
2. Existing railroads prioritizing slow massively long freight trains which cannot, in fact, yield to podestrian traffic.
3. Too many rail crossings at grade creating opportunities for injuries and road traffic congestion.
4. Imminent domain/environmental impact studies problems.
5. Costs of upgrading dilapidated tracks and bridges.
The reality is that while the railroads have a monopoly on track ownership, huge amounts of railroad tracks have been effectively abandoned. The government should take ownership of these mothballed lines, to create regional rail networks.
Texas Triangle should work, San Diego to San Francisco should work, the Northeast already works, and I believe much of the midwest (Pittsburgh, Cleveland, Cinci, Columbus, Detroit, Indy, Louisville, Chicago, Milwaukee, etc) could work too. Heck, it’s possible that a Florida network could be successful, though I sorta doubt it.
Once you get into the intermountain west, though, it’s not feasible. Look at how China’s investment into high speed rail is helping bankrupt them.
Posted on 6/26/24 at 1:14 pm to Tarps99
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Agree partially, but truly how “efficient” is high speed rail?
From memory anywhere from 5 to 10 times more energy efficient than air travel. That number can be calculated a lot of different ways so there's a lot of variance.
There are plenty of other downsides and questions to be answered, but energy use isn't one of them.
Posted on 6/26/24 at 1:17 pm to kingbob
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The reality is that while the railroads have a monopoly on track ownership, huge amounts of railroad tracks have been effectively abandoned.
No, there are not thousands of miles of "effectively abandoned" tracks in this country.
Let alone running in/out of population centers.
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The government should take ownership of these mothballed lines, to create regional rail networks.
Sounds socialist.
Posted on 6/26/24 at 1:18 pm to Flats
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From memory anywhere from 5 to 10 times more energy efficient than air travel. That number can be calculated a lot of different ways so there's a lot of variance.
The only thing more efficient than steel wheel on steel rail is water.
Posted on 6/26/24 at 1:40 pm to JackieTreehorn
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As long as the California rails are one way heading west.
Posted on 6/26/24 at 2:05 pm to BuckyCheese
quote:HSR will in the future carry freight.
The fact you think HSR carries freight says you should probably do a little research before opining.
Posted on 6/26/24 at 2:37 pm to LSU Grad 2021
I thought the Hyper Loop system might be something feasible to compete with air travel betweem major metropolitan areas but I guess it was scrapped, haven't heard anything about it for a few years.
Posted on 6/26/24 at 2:42 pm to LSU Grad 2021
It would work between urban areas that are close enough to where flying isn’t an option but far enough where driving is a PITA. Also, you need enough supporting transportation at the end of the line to get you where you’re going.
Posted on 6/26/24 at 2:51 pm to LSU Grad 2021
This isn't Europe where they tax the shite out of people to subsidize transportation systems. Musk, just like in all of his ventures, will rely heavily on government support. Maintaining infrastructure for high speed rail is another can of worms.
Posted on 6/26/24 at 3:01 pm to LSU Grad 2021
I'm fine with it as long as the entire thing is a private, unsubsidized, venture with no federal money involved.
Posted on 6/26/24 at 4:04 pm to Tchefuncte Tiger
Not really possible when two corporations own all of the tracks and have zero incentive to upgrade them to disrupt their own refined business model of slowly transporting bulk coal and crude oil from mines and corn and wheat from farms to shipping terminals. They’re content to spend the bare minimum on maintaining their most profitable rail lines and maximizing the amount of tonnage per engine.
The needs of their bulk freight customers are completely antithetical to passengers.
The needs of their bulk freight customers are completely antithetical to passengers.
Posted on 6/26/24 at 4:06 pm to LSU Grad 2021
If they can actually be built than please do
Don't ask me to subsidize it but go ahead
Don't ask me to subsidize it but go ahead
Posted on 6/26/24 at 4:08 pm to kingbob
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Not really possible when two corporations own all of the tracks and have zero incentive to upgrade them to disrupt their own refined business model
Unless Musk decides to construct MagLev systems, where he buys his own right of ways
Posted on 6/26/24 at 4:15 pm to LSU Grad 2021
If it involves the federal or state government monies in any way, it will be corrupt and not efficient. If private money believes it would be profitable and go ahead with the endeavor, it would be successful.
Posted on 6/26/24 at 4:17 pm to LSU Grad 2021
I question why anyone would promote 19th century technology in the 21st century.
Posted on 6/26/24 at 4:20 pm to SouthEasternKaiju
No economic value in these. A gimmick.
We need to build more nuclear power plants and drill more oil.
That's where out limited resources need to go.
We need to build more nuclear power plants and drill more oil.
That's where out limited resources need to go.
Posted on 6/26/24 at 6:13 pm to BBONDS25
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What Salk did was amazing, but profiting off of companies you create does not make you a Bond villain.
Never said it did but history tends to follow trends
If Carnegie never is responsible;e for one of the worst floods in US history or the deadliest strikes, odds are good he never becomes charitable. Elon's long term goal is the monopoly of space. Monopolies tends to quash free enterprise, not foster it.
Posted on 6/26/24 at 6:31 pm to RiverCityTider
Can they not incorporate alternator type tech into the rail that spins as the train passes and regenerates some electricity? Or smaller wind fans that spin from the gust of wind from a 200mph high speed rail car?
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