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Posted on 5/27/25 at 12:03 pm to somethingdifferent
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Genius, is it true or not?
Why do you keep doing that? Why can't you engage without insults? you're arguing from the position of a Biblical Christian, but your conduct is worse than anyone in this thread. SFP has shown the patience of Job in dealing with you. You're a Christian? Act like it.
Posted on 5/27/25 at 12:05 pm to Tchefuncte Tiger
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Isn't it ironic that these two groups who hate each other so much share common ancestry
Like Abraham?
Canaanite culture predates Abraham by at least 1500 years
Posted on 5/27/25 at 12:27 pm to SixthAndBarone
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What does their DNA say about their politics?
Exactly
Posted on 5/27/25 at 12:30 pm to somethingdifferent
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So you can't support your stupid assertions. Just say that and save everyone some time
I may, evidence to support my assertions is literally in the OP.
Posted on 5/27/25 at 12:33 pm to somethingdifferent
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are you going to continue your idiotic elementary school playground responses or actually produce something of substance?
IOW, are you just emotionally committed to your position because it comforts your ego?
Bro, the historical consensus is that the Israelites/Canaanites were not initially monotheistic. I’m not sure why you’re so angry about this. No one (at least I’m not) is trying to challenge your (supposed) faith.
Posted on 5/27/25 at 12:51 pm to Narax
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I'm honestly shocked that anyone thinks this is weird.
The Bible mentions that the founders of the 12 tribes had local Canaanites (or Egyptian) wives.
It mentions that some of those who crossed into the promised land took local wives.
It mentions there was a fck ton of intermarriage with the locals, and worship of local gods.
I mean this is all dead on.
So many feeling so wise that since the Biblical record matches DNA, the Bible can't be true.
You’re missing the point. It wasn’t that some members of the “12 tribes” married some Canaanites. It’s that they were Canaanites. They had the same language, same cultural practices, and same religious beliefs, until a group of them decided that they’d start focusing on Yahweh as their primary god. Flash forward, and that group eventually decided that not only was Yahweh their primary god, he was the only god. Posted on 5/27/25 at 1:10 pm to SlowFlowPro
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Now, could this theoretical pollution of the line of Abraham with Canaanite DNA have occurred? Possibly, but nothing suggests it
Except a written account by the ancestors of the Jews.
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when you break it down (as people have ITT) it requires lots of leaps of logic and 400 years of slavery in Egypt. Then we circle back to the "there isn't really evidence of that period occurring"
Well, there shouldn’t be evidence of 400 years of slavery, because the book clearly indicates that wasn’t the case.
Posted on 5/27/25 at 1:10 pm to Mo Jeaux
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It’s that they were Canaanites. They had the same language, same cultural practices, and same religious beliefs, until a group of them decided that they’d start focusing on Yahweh as their primary god. Flash forward, and that group eventually decided that not only was Yahweh their primary god, he was the only god.
Posted on 5/27/25 at 1:12 pm to cssamerican
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Except a written account by the ancestors of the Jews.
You mean the Bible or an actual historical document?
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Well, there shouldn’t be evidence of 400 years of slavery, because the book clearly indicates that wasn’t the case.
However you choose to "acktually" it, my point stands.
Posted on 5/27/25 at 1:24 pm to L.A.
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Well he wasn't a Jew, though he is considered the father of Judaism. He was a Hebrew; who were the descendants of Eber, son of Shem
That’s ONE theory out of several explaining the origin of the term Hebrew. But yeah, he wasn't a Jew. He wasn't even an Israelite (obviously).
I’m not sure this thread is presenting anything the Bible didn't already allude to
Posted on 5/27/25 at 1:31 pm to BhamTigah
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This is one of the reasons God was angry with the Israelites. They took foreign wives and consubines and had mixed children in a race that He intended to keep pure.
God must lose his sh"t over this guy - LOL.
It wasn't about racial/genetic purity as much as it was a concern that kids would learn pagan rituals from mom.
Solomon had tons of wives and thousands of kids from everywhere (1Kings 11:1–10). Israel was a genetic gumbo after that dude. All God wanted was for offspring to keep Him as the only.
Posted on 5/27/25 at 1:31 pm to BhamTigah
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This post was edited on 5/27/25 at 1:33 pm
Posted on 5/27/25 at 1:49 pm to L.A.
quote:prove it
Canaanite culture predates Abraham by at least 1500 years
documented substantiatial facts will do
hmm hmm didn't think so
The whole educated world understands it is a legendary anecdotal tale that was never true
oh yeah?
Posted on 5/27/25 at 1:51 pm to SlowFlowPro
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However you choose to "acktually" it, my point stands.
The timeline comes straight from the biblical ages. Moses’ grandfather entered Egypt with Jacob, and the total time from Jacob’s arrival to the Exodus is 215 years. Joseph died 71 years after Jacob arrived, and slavery began sometime after that under a new Pharaoh. Since Moses was born during the enslavement and was 80 at the time of the Exodus, the slavery period falls between 80 and 144 years, making about 100 years a reasonable estimate.
Acktually, not everything in the Bible is some vague interpretation, somethings are fairly straightforward. My point also wasn’t anything other than the 400 year thing isn’t supported by the text, so I wouldn’t expect it to be supported by archeology.
Posted on 5/27/25 at 1:58 pm to FriendofBaruch
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Canaanite culture predates Abraham by at least 1500 years
prove it
documented substantiatial facts will do
hmm hmm didn't think so
From brittanica.com
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The Canaanite culture was an ancient Semitic-speaking civilization and region of the Southern Levant during the late 2nd millennium BC2. The Canaanites inhabited the land of Canaan before and during the time of the Israelite conquest. They lived in what is now Lebanon, Israel, parts of Syria, and Jordan between 3500 B.C. and 1150 B.C.4. Their religion, beliefs, and practices centered on deities such as El, Baal, and Anath
Canaanite culture is dated from 3500 BC. Bible scholars say that Abraham was born sometime around 1900 BC. Maybe a few decades before that. It's hard to be precise using biblical genealogies.
3500 BC is over 1500 years before 1900 BC.
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The whole educated world understands it is a legendary anecdotal tale that was never true
oh yeah?
If you want to argue that Abraham never actually lived, that of course is a possibility. Some would say a probability. But that is another topic for another day.
Posted on 5/27/25 at 2:04 pm to cssamerican
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the slavery period falls between 80 and 144 years, making about 100 years a reasonable estimate.
As I said earlier, fine. My point still stands.
400 years wasn't my standard, mind you.
Posted on 5/27/25 at 2:36 pm to SlowFlowPro
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It’s that they were Canaanites. They had the same language, same cultural practices, and same religious beliefs, until a group of them decided that they’d start focusing on Yahweh as their primary god. Flash forward, and that group eventually decided that not only was Yahweh their primary god, he was the only god.
None of that stuff was proven by the DNA study.
Their focus was only on connecting the current Arabs and Jews in the ME to the canaanites. They did so with 50% efficacy. They literally say this does not mean present day groups are directly descended from canaanites.
Nothing from the study proves or disproves a man from ur came to Hanan with his family as Abram is described in the Bible.
And the study did very little study, almost none, on Iron Age samples at all, which would be the timeframe of the exodus.
People should read the study itself and not reporting on the study.
This post was edited on 5/27/25 at 2:41 pm
Posted on 5/27/25 at 2:39 pm to extremetigerfanatic
What you quoted was a digression about this
More than the DNA study, just FWIW.
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Yeah, told from the point of view of the group that adopted monotheism and had to edit out (or try to) the uncomfortable parts about their past beliefs.
More than the DNA study, just FWIW.
Posted on 5/27/25 at 2:44 pm to SlowFlowPro
This entire thread is here to use this study to show that the Bible isn’t true.
When choosing to champion the “real” truth, those doing the championing should in the least…. be truthful themselves.
When choosing to champion the “real” truth, those doing the championing should in the least…. be truthful themselves.
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