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Posted on 5/27/25 at 10:46 am to SlowFlowPro
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(He’s referring to Khazarians which may be the same thing.)
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Basically. Russian antisemitic propaganda
You desperately need to polish up on actual documented history instead of parroting your indoctrination of inverted, revised history and the actual propaganda.
Posted on 5/27/25 at 10:50 am to SlowFlowPro
quote:What kind of moronic response is this. The question is if it's true or not. That's what I asked and what you predictably won't be able to answer
When you write something after events occur, that's rather easy to do
quote:Laughable. Like you know the first thing about any of that. Any halfway clued up scholar knows absence of evidence does not equal evidence of absence. Besides, it's not like the case is completely bereft of evidence.
Modern archeology and history effectively dismisses that "Jews in Egypt" part of the Bible
Here we go again - if you really think archeology and history deny the exodus, let's see your survey of academia on the topic. Show us the list of scholars you have polled on the topic.
This will go like all the other times you made some idiotic claim and then ran away when challenged to prove you're not mentally deficient.
Has there ever been a court ruling you disagree with?
Posted on 5/27/25 at 10:51 am to Mo Jeaux
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(Mary and Jesus were altogether two different beings, right? )
Are you a different being than your mother?
Of course I am a different being or person than my mother. We are separate human beings. So were Mary and Jesus.
Did I really have to clarify so simple a concept?
Posted on 5/27/25 at 10:51 am to SquatchDawg
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That’s not a stretch since they were fighting and conquering each other for a long time. Probably lots of cross breeding from conquests.
This is one of the reasons God was angry with the Israelites. They took foreign wives and consubines and had mixed children in a race that He intended to keep pure.
Posted on 5/27/25 at 10:53 am to EphesianArmor
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You never give up on the hyperbole, do you?
My post wasn't hyperbole.
Posted on 5/27/25 at 10:53 am to EphesianArmor
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You desperately need to polish up on actual documented history instead of parroting your indoctrination of inverted, revised history and the actual propaganda.
Posted on 5/27/25 at 10:54 am to SlowFlowPro
quote:You seriously don't realize how stupid this is. Every freaking scientist ever had some belief about something before they uncovered it in experiments. Have you ever heard of inference to the best explanation? Actual smart people use it all the time
The lack of evidence means supporting the position becomes more untenable
And there's no way you know what untenable means. AI told you to type that
Posted on 5/27/25 at 10:55 am to somethingdifferent
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So you're going to repeat the "absence of evidence equals evidence of absence" tripe?
You keep saying that, but when it comes to archeology it seems nonsensical to me.
Carl Sagan used to say that about the search for extra terrestrial life. The absence of evidence does not necessarily mean evidence of absence of life. That makes sense.
But in archeology, it generally does mean that.
The Torah says that there were 600,000 men in the Exodus. Estimates are that there would have been 2-3 million people counting women and children. Their route is described in the Torah. All but 2 of the 2-3 million people died before reaching Canaan. But there is no archeological evidence that any of that happened. .
How do you explain the absence of evidence of 2-3 million people living and wandering through a wilderness for 40 years but leaving behind no evidence of their presence there?
Posted on 5/27/25 at 10:58 am to somethingdifferent
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What kind of moronic response is this. The question is if it's true or not.
Again, writing long after an event occurs gives you lots of opportunity to describe that event.
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. The question is if it's true or not.
No. The question is if the interjection of religion after the fact was legitimate.
Christianity is a better example because we have a lot more historical record, for this point. All sorts of writings and gospels were written after the fact that contain verifiable facts about Rome, Jesus, etc., which are regarded as heresy today and some have been proven to be outright frauds. But the historical facts they wrote of were true. Does that make these works legitimate? No.
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let's see your survey of academia on the topic.
You'll just dismiss anyone who disagrees with you. You've already exposed that part of your rhetoric in this thread.
Why would I waste my time when I know which dishonesty you'll rely on from the outset? Your dishonesty is why responding to you is so tiresome and without merit.
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This will go like all the other times you made some idiotic claim and then ran away when challenged to prove you're not mentally deficient.
Has there ever been a court ruling you disagree with?
Although your irrational responses do make it entertaining to an extent
Posted on 5/27/25 at 10:59 am to L.A.
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The Torah says that there were 600,000 men in the Exodus. Estimates are that there would have been 2-3 million people counting women and children. Their route is described in the Torah. All but 2 of the 2-3 million people died before reaching Canaan. But there is no archeological evidence that any of that happened. .
How do you explain the absence of evidence of 2-3 million people living and wandering through a wilderness for 40 years but leaving behind no evidence of their presence there?
Posted on 5/27/25 at 11:00 am to SlowFlowPro
quote:Has there ever been a court ruling you disagree with?
No
Show us where the 14th amendment says illegals get "some rights" and citizens get "more rights."
Show us which founding fathers said the first idea of the 14th amendment was intended to be a different set of people than the last idea. Not just your personal interpretation invented in that addled brain of yours.
Show us your survey of scholarship on the topic of the exodus
Posted on 5/27/25 at 11:02 am to somethingdifferent
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Has there ever been a court ruling you disagree with?
I literally gave you an example of one in this thread.
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Show us which founding fathers said the first idea of the 14th amendment
The last "Founding Father" to die was James Madison in 1836
The 14th Amendment was written a bit after that date
In addition to your dishonesty, your ignorance makes responding to you even more meritless.
Now stop trying to have a melt and derail this thread. This thread isn't about you or your emotional outbursts.
Posted on 5/27/25 at 11:06 am to somethingdifferent
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Show us which founding fathers said the first idea of the 14th amendment was intended to be a different set of people than the last idea.
The Founding Fathers didn't say anything about the 14th amendment since it was ratified in 1868
Posted on 5/27/25 at 11:27 am to L.A.
quote:This is debatable, especially when dealing with antiquity. There is a dearth of information about all sorts of things from antiquity that we take for granted. Most people don't realize that
But in archeology, it generally does mean that
quote:It's so fascinating that people rehash questions from 150 years ago. What evidence would you expect to find given that we don't even know where to look because we don't know the route or the exact timeline and there aren't people running around digging in random spots in the desert? It's kind of difficult to get funding for a dig when you don't have those details nailed down
How do you explain the absence of evidence of 2-3 million people living and wandering through a wilderness for 40 years but leaving behind no evidence of their presence there?
Posted on 5/27/25 at 11:32 am to somethingdifferent
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There is a dearth of information about all sorts of things from antiquity that we take for granted. Most people don't realize that
No. Nobody is doing that. Nobody has fully dismissed the possibility, either.
What we are saying is that the evidence doesn't line up and there is very little, if any, evidence to support these specific Biblical narratives.
What evidence we do have, with new evidence like the DNA testing, is painting a different picture. That Israelites were simply Canaanites who splintered and ultimately evolved the traditional Canaanite religion over time into Judaism.
Now, could this theoretical pollution of the line of Abraham with Canaanite DNA have occurred? Possibly, but nothing suggests it, and when you break it down (as people have ITT) it requires lots of leaps of logic and 400 years of slavery in Egypt. Then we circle back to the "there isn't really evidence of that period occurring"
Posted on 5/27/25 at 11:45 am to SlowFlowPro
quote:Genius, is it true or not?
writing long after an event occurs gives you lots of opportunity to describe that event
quote:? You made the claim that archeology does not support the exodus (which is not true). I'm asking you if it's true and how you know. This is a classic SFP strategy to get off topic from a simple question that you know is a loss for you
The question is if the interjection of religion after the fact was legitimate
quote:No but if you think this same principle applies to the Bible, then make your case. That's been the question all along.
Does that make these works legitimate?
quote:That depends on if they're correct or not.
You'll just dismiss anyone who disagrees with you
quote:How could I?! You predictably haven't cited anything
You've already exposed that part of your rhetoric in this thread
quote:Sophistry for "I'm going to lose and I know it."
Why would I waste my time when I know which dishonesty you'll rely on from the outset?
quote:Asking you to support your moronic assertions is not "dishonesty." I get you don't want people to know this but you make claims and then run away when challenged. It's pretty obvious
Your dishonesty is why responding to you is so tiresome and without merit
quote:This is typical SFP. You were asked to simply support your claim and this is the obligatory response. And then you laughably call other people dishonest.
Although your irrational responses do make it entertaining to an extent
You have got to be the most messed up in the head person on this board. It's astonishing and fascinating
Posted on 5/27/25 at 11:50 am to SlowFlowPro
quote:Let us know when you're going to be serious
I literally gave you an example of one in this thread
quote:Wow. SFP, I'm asking you to quote ANYONE who had ANYTHING to do with the founding of the country, writing of the constitution, writing of the amendments, formation of the government, LITERALLY ANYBODY who is the source of your dumb claim. Hell, post a freaking Wikipedia article for crying out loud. ANYTHING that exists in reality and not just in your mental limbo
The last "Founding Father" to die was James Madison in 1836
The 14th Amendment was written a bit after that date
Posted on 5/27/25 at 11:58 am to somethingdifferent
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It's so fascinating that people rehash questions from 150 years ago
I have no idea what that means. There are hundreds of modern archeologists, both Christian and Jewish, whose careers are devoted to excavating the areas mentioned in the Bible. There's a modern magazine (Biblical Archeology, which is cited in the OP) that is 100% devoted to the ongoing archeology of the Biblical territory.
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given that we don't even know where to look because we don't know the route
We do know the route. It's laid out in 4 of the 5 books of the Torah. If you have a Bible with ,maps in the back, you likely have a map of the Exodus route
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What evidence would you expect to find
Evidence of the life and death of 3 million people in a very compact 40 year period.
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