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re: DNA analysis shows that Jews and Arabs Descended from Canaanites

Posted on 5/26/25 at 10:22 pm to
Posted by somethingdifferent
Member since Aug 2024
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Posted on 5/26/25 at 10:22 pm to
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Is there anything in the historical record to support this actually happened?
So you're going to repeat the "absence of evidence equals evidence of absence" tripe?

What would you expect to be available? Do you know the current theories/evidence?

If SFP answers those 2 questions, we're going to go down yet another insane SFP rabbit hole
Posted by somethingdifferent
Member since Aug 2024
1608 posts
Posted on 5/26/25 at 10:23 pm to
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I am pretty damn certain I haven't said anything about Islam in this thread
I didn't say you did. Did you understand why I mentioned it?
Posted by somethingdifferent
Member since Aug 2024
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Posted on 5/26/25 at 10:25 pm to
This thread has been classic, textbook SFP.

OP is introduced
SFP firehoses a bunch of bullcrap all over the place and thread gets completely derailed.
SFP gets challenged and then either jokes or ignores or runs away
Posted by Grumpy Nemesis
Member since Feb 2025
2033 posts
Posted on 5/26/25 at 10:30 pm to
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didn't say you did. Did you understand why I mentioned it?

No I don't understand why you mentioned it because I don't see any relevance to my question.
Posted by dexy82
Madison, WI
Member since Sep 2004
2073 posts
Posted on 5/26/25 at 10:42 pm to
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Israel Finkelstein.


Man, that is the most Jewish name I’ve ever heard
Posted by Mo Jeaux
Member since Aug 2008
62486 posts
Posted on 5/27/25 at 12:15 am to
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They were always monotheistic


Nope.
Posted by Mo Jeaux
Member since Aug 2008
62486 posts
Posted on 5/27/25 at 12:16 am to
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Mary and Jesus were altogether two different beings, right?


Are you a different being than your mother?
Posted by Mo Jeaux
Member since Aug 2008
62486 posts
Posted on 5/27/25 at 12:18 am to
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Luke 3:20-22. After his baptism, the scriptures say ‘the heavens were opened up’ and God’s voice was heard, calling Jesus his son and approving of him.

It appears this is when he regained his prehuman memory as a spirit son of God.


Interesting. This isn’t what orthodox Christianity believes though. What sect do you belong to.
Posted by Mo Jeaux
Member since Aug 2008
62486 posts
Posted on 5/27/25 at 12:19 am to
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What are these "past beliefs" and how would you know? Some kook popular level author told you this tripe?


You have such an inquiring mind.
Posted by SlowFlowPro
With populists, expect populism
Member since Jan 2004
466944 posts
Posted on 5/27/25 at 6:52 am to
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You're not referring to the Bible are you? Because the Bible speaks of people who have since been confirmed by archaeology. It also accords with events and places.


When you write something after events occur, that's rather easy to do.

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Do you know of any counterexamples where the Bible is untrue historically?

The subject of the post you selectively quoted. Modern archeology and history effectively dismisses that "Jews in Egypt" part of the Bible.

Does that make it final? No, but we haven't really found anything to support the stories.

Posted by SlowFlowPro
With populists, expect populism
Member since Jan 2004
466944 posts
Posted on 5/27/25 at 6:54 am to
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So you're going to repeat the "absence of evidence equals evidence of absence" tripe?

No.

Evidence is used to support a position.

The lack of evidence means supporting the position becomes more untenable.

Posted by SlowFlowPro
With populists, expect populism
Member since Jan 2004
466944 posts
Posted on 5/27/25 at 6:56 am to
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OP is introduced
SFP firehoses a bunch of bullcrap all over the place and thread gets completely derailed.


You must be reading a different thread. My posts, other than the Khazarian CT digression that I thwarted pretty siftly, have been related to OP.

You know who doesn't think I derailed the thread? OP?

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You're going to get downvoted into oblivion, but the scholarly research supports what you are saying. And you're right, it is fascinating.


Perhaps you don't understand what the thread is about and you're the one trying to derail it? It seems I was pretty on point with what OP wanted to discuss.

quote:

SFP gets challenged and then either jokes or ignores or runs away

No
Posted by dgnx6
Member since Feb 2006
86294 posts
Posted on 5/27/25 at 7:07 am to
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There was relatively little conflict between Jews and Muslim Arabs until about a hundred years ago when Zionists (most of whose ancestors had been in Europe for hundreds of years) began moving into the British Mandate of Palestine, leading to the establishment of the modern state of Israel.


Jews were removed from Judah to Babylon. Then from Babylon(Iraq) to parts of Europe.

Then much much later came present day Israel.

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By the 1st century CE, Jewish communities were established across the Roman Empire, including in modern-day Italy, Spain, France, and Greece. The destruction of the Second Temple in 70 CE and the Bar Kokhba Revolt (132–135 CE) accelerated dispersion, pushing more Jews into Europe.



They weren’t originally from Europe.



This post was edited on 5/27/25 at 7:11 am
Posted by SlowFlowPro
With populists, expect populism
Member since Jan 2004
466944 posts
Posted on 5/27/25 at 7:08 am to
Posted by Mo Jeaux
Member since Aug 2008
62486 posts
Posted on 5/27/25 at 7:11 am to
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Jews were removed from Judah to Babylon. Then from Babylon(Iraq) to parts of Europe.

Then much much later came Israel.



I’m not sure where you’re going with this.
Posted by Hawgnsincebirth55
Gods country
Member since Sep 2016
18197 posts
Posted on 5/27/25 at 8:35 am to
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Jews were removed from Judah to Babylon. Then from Babylon(Iraq) to parts of Europe.
they tereturned from Babylon. That parts in the Bible. The Jews were expelled from their homeland about 40 years after the death of Jesus by the Roman’s after they destroyed the 2nd temple due to uprisings and insurrections by the Jews.
Posted by Mo Jeaux
Member since Aug 2008
62486 posts
Posted on 5/27/25 at 8:38 am to
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The Jews were expelled from their homeland about 40 years after the death of Jesus by the Roman’s after they destroyed the 2nd temple due to uprisings and insurrections by the Jews.


Not the entire Jewish population though.
Posted by somethingdifferent
Member since Aug 2024
1608 posts
Posted on 5/27/25 at 10:36 am to
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No I don't understand why you mentioned it because I don't see any relevance to my question
You questioned the value of a god that has a visceral reaction to suffering. The value is that when you talk to God, God knows EXACTLY what you're going through. God experienced the same pain we do, firsthand. We have a father we can talk to and he can relate to us. This stands in stark contrast to other religions that have a conception of God as completely transcendent, totally removed and even aloof to our pain and experiences.

God doesn't allow us to experience pain he doesn't already know. We can't say to God "you don't know what I'm going through." Plenty of people think God is immoral for allowing us to experience suffering and pain but it's not immoral when he too went through the experience. Imagine trying to learn how to build an engine from someone who knows nothing about cars. How could that person advise you?
Posted by somethingdifferent
Member since Aug 2024
1608 posts
Posted on 5/27/25 at 10:40 am to
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Nope
are you going to continue your idiotic elementary school playground responses or actually produce something of substance?

IOW, are you just emotionally committed to your position because it comforts your ego?
Posted by EphesianArmor
Member since Mar 2025
2854 posts
Posted on 5/27/25 at 10:42 am to
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German supremacists


You never give up on the hyperbole, do you?

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