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re: District Judge has standing over the CIC removing terrorists from US soil? Explain why.
Posted on 3/18/25 at 10:02 am to Decatur
Posted on 3/18/25 at 10:02 am to Decatur
So millions of illegal aliens are here, in this country, my country, against the law. I thought that ALL jackass Dems claimed "No-one is above the law!" This judge says he is the law................no he is not. He does not write the laws, he follows what is in place.
So, keep hauling them out.............what is this idiot gonna do, arrest federal agents?
So, keep hauling them out.............what is this idiot gonna do, arrest federal agents?
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Posted on 3/18/25 at 10:02 am to SlayTime
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they’ve already labeled every Christian white male as (terrorists).
Posted on 3/18/25 at 10:03 am to AggieHank86
Not really, it's common fact that Christians are the most persecuted religion in the world. They get killed at a much higher rate than any other.
Posted on 3/18/25 at 10:04 am to hogcard1964
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We have not been invaded
False
It’s not false. Histrionics are not a substitute for reality. If you call any illegal entry into the US an invasion, then the US has been under invasion constantly for a hundred years. In that case the President always has War Powers. That is ridiculous.
Posted on 3/18/25 at 10:05 am to SlayTime
Standing is irrelevant. He simply doesn't possess the power. Judges have given themselves this power but they're full of shite and it's about time we fricking made it clear to them they're full of shite. Don't Go off into other silly arguments. The utterly silly argument is the idea that individual federal judges at the lowest level have veto power over the other two branches of government. That's fricking asinine and nobody actually believes it makes sense.
This post was edited on 3/18/25 at 10:16 am
Posted on 3/18/25 at 10:05 am to Bunk Moreland
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I'm guessing the system gives them some due process
Foreign war fighters (terrorists) get due process? I sure hope we dont get invaded by an army. We'd have to try each one before shooting them as they stormed our beaches.
Posted on 3/18/25 at 10:07 am to Penrod
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It’s not false. Histrionics are not a substitute for reality. If you call any illegal entry into the US an invasion, then the US has been under invasion constantly for a hundred years. In that case the President always has War Powers. That is ridiculous.
"Hundreds of years"??? What's ridiculous is your post. Most immigrants "Hundreds of years" ago came over through a port of entry - legally. That is NOT illegal immigration. You're confusing the two. Illegal immigration IS an invasion.
Posted on 3/18/25 at 10:07 am to Arkaea79
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There is no "due process" for illegal aliens.
Misleading to outright false.
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Yes, some get a tria
What is a trial if not due process?
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Most are deported without any judicial inquiry taking place to expedite the process.
In very specific scenarios in which Trump is trying to exapnd for the first time since WW2, and without an actual declared war.
To think this is a cut and dry issue on either side is naive.
Posted on 3/18/25 at 10:10 am to TBoy
The law list three reasons.
One, as you mentioned, a foreign nation or government. (Which the Venezuelan government DID release its convicts with the intention of them coming to the US).
Two. Any invasion. (The US was actually invaded by millions of illegals the last 4 years)
Three. Predatory incursion. (These gang members entered the US illegally and behaved in a predatory manner raping, killing, and terrorizing US citizens).
By Trump invoking the Illegal Alien Removal law, this became a matter of national security. The Executive branch has all jurisdiction over matters of national security, the Judicial branch has no jurisdiction.
It's really simple.
One, as you mentioned, a foreign nation or government. (Which the Venezuelan government DID release its convicts with the intention of them coming to the US).
Two. Any invasion. (The US was actually invaded by millions of illegals the last 4 years)
Three. Predatory incursion. (These gang members entered the US illegally and behaved in a predatory manner raping, killing, and terrorizing US citizens).
By Trump invoking the Illegal Alien Removal law, this became a matter of national security. The Executive branch has all jurisdiction over matters of national security, the Judicial branch has no jurisdiction.
It's really simple.
Posted on 3/18/25 at 10:10 am to SlowFlowPro
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It's at the very outer rim of the statue, though. If they can be declared terrorists, any alleged criminal operating on American soil can be declared a terrorist, essentially. I don't want the DEMs having that sort of power
They are a group of foreigners, in our country, committing crimes against our citizens. How is that relevant to being able to label any alleged criminal as a terrorist?
Posted on 3/18/25 at 10:11 am to TBoy
The argument is those gang members were sent by their government to cause disruption. Maduro isn’t very fond of the US as you know so it’s plausible he’s encouraged them to do so.
Besides the point, the gang members have cause irreparable harm to United States citizens and should go rot in the El Salvadorian prison. Another 90/10 issue the dems are falling for.
If the judge wins the republicans should immediately draft a “Gang Deportation Act” with basically the same idea as the AEA. Let the dems pick a side publicly, either on illegal gang members or the American public’s safety.
Besides the point, the gang members have cause irreparable harm to United States citizens and should go rot in the El Salvadorian prison. Another 90/10 issue the dems are falling for.
If the judge wins the republicans should immediately draft a “Gang Deportation Act” with basically the same idea as the AEA. Let the dems pick a side publicly, either on illegal gang members or the American public’s safety.
Posted on 3/18/25 at 10:11 am to SlayTime
We are at war - the War on Terror is still active as it has never been officially declared over.
However, I do not think Trump used the War on Terror in his Proclamation.
But, more to the initial question:
The argument against the Administration is that there is no due process afforded anyone the government deems subject to the Alien Enemies Act. Thus, the government could round you up and send you to a prison in El Salvador without anyone knowing. No hearing where the government has to make even a minimal showing that you are who the government says you are, you are simply adjudged by the government itself to be a terrorist, or whatever, and just ship you off out of the country to a foreign prison.
However, I do not think Trump used the War on Terror in his Proclamation.
But, more to the initial question:
The argument against the Administration is that there is no due process afforded anyone the government deems subject to the Alien Enemies Act. Thus, the government could round you up and send you to a prison in El Salvador without anyone knowing. No hearing where the government has to make even a minimal showing that you are who the government says you are, you are simply adjudged by the government itself to be a terrorist, or whatever, and just ship you off out of the country to a foreign prison.
Posted on 3/18/25 at 10:12 am to TDTOM
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Miller addressed this yesterday. These gang members were sent by the Ven. government.
The law applies to a “declared” war. Congress has not declared war on anyone.
I’m all for what Trump is doing, but he will almost certainly lose on this. He is, however, following the Obama/Biden playbook because while losing he will inflict a lot of damage. They use to say, “The process is the punishment.” We say, “Turnabout is fair play.”
Posted on 3/18/25 at 10:13 am to Penrod
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The law applies to a “declared” war. Congress has not declared war on anyone.
Congress has declared a War on Terror that is still active.
Posted on 3/18/25 at 10:14 am to JimEverett
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We are at war - the War on Terror is still active as it has never been officially declared over.
I beg pardon. I was wrong on this post, so I’m removing it.
This post was edited on 3/18/25 at 10:16 am
Posted on 3/18/25 at 10:15 am to antibarner
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These governments have not sent their best.
To piggyback off this statement - after watching portions of the confirmation hearings, some states aren’t sending their ‘best’ to Congress.
Posted on 3/18/25 at 10:15 am to SlayTime
He doesn’t. Our resident legal experts tie themselves in knots trying to claim that he does but that’s just their personal politics seeping through
Posted on 3/18/25 at 10:16 am to lionward2014
If there is guaranteed "due process" for illegals then why throughout the last several decades do most illegals get deported without judicial reviews? Don't be dishonest.
Posted on 3/18/25 at 10:17 am to JimEverett
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Congress has declared a War on Terror that is still active.
False. Congress has not declared war since 1942. Which makes all of our foreign policy stupidy the last 80 years so much more frustrating.
Posted on 3/18/25 at 10:17 am to Reeaholic
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the republicans should immediately draft a “Gang Deportation Act” with basically the same idea as the AEA.
That would be a positive action that everyone should get behind. Such a law could apply in the ordinary course so that we wouldn't have to create fake "wars" to invoke the power. That is how Congress can actually do something.
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