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re: Did this ex-gay fellow's genetics change? or is there another explanation?
Posted on 2/12/14 at 7:16 am to S.E.C. Crazy
Posted on 2/12/14 at 7:16 am to S.E.C. Crazy
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But the fact is you are not only wrong but maniacally so.
Nah, I'll be just fine.
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Posted on 2/13/14 at 4:33 pm to Joshjrn
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If someone takes a position that they know will cause ridicule to be heaped on them, I tend to believe them. If they later recant and join the majority, I look at it with a bit more skepticism.
From personal experience, there is much, much more ridicule heaped on him now than there was when he was an lgbt activist.
Posted on 2/13/14 at 5:03 pm to League Champs
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2) because there will always be the twins study. Where in all the cases of identical twins where one is gay, only 6.4% of the time is the other also gay.
there are a lot of conflicting studies, and some show a that statistic as high as 52% of the time in identical twins.
Posted on 2/13/14 at 5:52 pm to AlaTiger
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But, if they say that they are no longer gay or are not really gay, then we call them a liar.
So, the only thing that matters is if they say that they are gay, not if they say aren't or are no longer?
I don't get it either,
If a person is born a man, but feels they should be a women, or vice versa, it is seen by the LGBT community as some type of genetic mix up, and they should be allowed to become the person they were meant to be, but if you are born gay and feel you should be straight your out of SOL trying to get them to support that.
Posted on 2/13/14 at 6:00 pm to Joshjrn
quote:I've always been fascinated though by something.
Come back and give us an update in ten years. Pretending not to be gay is easy in the short term. Doing so for your entire life is a bit more difficult
If a guy is married for 20 years, then turns up gay, people say "he was always gay". But if he's been gay for some years, then gets married and stays that way for 20, they still say "he was always gay".
This thing only seems to work in one direction.
Posted on 2/13/14 at 8:42 pm to SettleDown
Ted haggard....he was just getting "massages".. 
Posted on 2/13/14 at 8:44 pm to SettleDown
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I've always been fascinated though by something.
If a guy is married for 20 years, then turns up gay, people say "he was always gay". But if he's been gay for some years, then gets married and stays that way for 20, they still say "he was always gay".
This thing only seems to work in one direction.
people who are skeptical of this guy in the OP have every reason to be. How many times now has someone in the "I'm not gay anymore" community got caught with guys again. Too many for it to be a coincidence.
Posted on 2/13/14 at 9:46 pm to SettleDown
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This thing only seems to work in one direction.
Heterosexual is the default position. It's what everyone expects you to be. No one ridicules you for it. Your parents don't disown you because of it. Being heterosexual is easy. If you're going to "try" to be something you aren't, it makes far more sense to pretend to be heterosexual than homosexual. It's not some grand conspiracy or double standard. It's simple logic.
Posted on 2/13/14 at 9:54 pm to KissmyAxe
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Ted haggard....he was just getting "massages"..
Ted Haggard is proof that money usually trumps personal happiness. He would rather fight tooth and nail and suffer through life as a repressed homosexual than live as he is an be content.
Posted on 2/13/14 at 10:17 pm to SettleDown
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If a guy is married for 20 years, then turns up gay, people say "he was always gay". But if he's been gay for some years, then gets married and stays that way for 20, they still say "he was always gay".
This thing only seems to work in one direction.
Almost like its not a choice or something.
Posted on 2/13/14 at 10:38 pm to SettleDown
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But if he's been gay for some years, then gets married and stays that way for 20, they still say "he was always gay".
This just isn't that common. The vast majority of gay people who marry the opposite sex were not openly homosexual prior to the marriage.
Posted on 2/14/14 at 12:54 am to Joshjrn
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Heterosexual is the default position. It's what everyone expects you to be. No one ridicules you for it. Your parents don't disown you because of it. Being heterosexual is easy. If you're going to "try" to be something you aren't, it makes far more sense to pretend to be heterosexual than homosexual. It's not some grand conspiracy or double standard. It's simple logic.
bullshite nonsense statement especially since you ignore that it is the LGBTQQIIAA community. It's simple logic that if you have a penis and testicles you are a boy. But that isn't true anymore either because if you "feel like you are a girl" then you are a girl and your actual, biological sex is not your actual sexual identituy and you are a "transgender." That's not logical at all but fairy tale bullshite being forced on society as well and your daughter will have to share bathroom facilities with those boys. Even the ones that get erections around girls but claim they "feel they are a girl" because you can't discriminate against their feelings.
Heterosexual relations are not a "default position." They are the norm. I guess you refer to women who get pregnant and children by many men as being something to celebrate because "they are looked down upon by those in society" unlike women and men that spend a life together and raise their own children.
A lot of people get "disowned" by their families. Gays also choose to "disown" their own families that will not agree with them that their sexual relatioonships are the same as the male-female sexual relationships.
One other thing, you think that "having sex with someone of the same sex" is what actually makes someone happy tells me how little you think of yourself as well as other men. By stating that the man in the OP that is now married will cheat and have sex with men means you must also think that he is incapable of being monogamous. I assume you aren't capable of being "monogamous" and will expect your wife to "accept and understand" and if she doesn't and wants a divorce, you'll consider her position to be "the default position" and not your behavior that is de fault.
This post was edited on 2/14/14 at 1:04 am
Posted on 2/14/14 at 1:12 am to Roger Klarvin
I know men that like to eat pussy while getting fricked in the arse by a man. Hell, the "chicks with dicks" scene brings some men "out of the closet" because they like that and chicks with dicks and men with pussies (Chastity Bono) are bullshite fantasy created by "surgical procedures" that do not change the fact that they are still the biological sex of their birth.
Posted on 2/14/14 at 1:29 am to los angeles tiger
T . M . I . !
Posted on 2/14/14 at 1:36 am to los angeles tiger
Damn
Posted on 2/14/14 at 7:50 am to los angeles tiger
That was the most batshit insane strawman I have ever seen. Well done
Also, to be clear, I never said that I believed in the straight/gay dichotomy. Evidence suggests that a large portion of society fills the middle sections of Kinsey's distribution.
Also, to be clear, I never said that I believed in the straight/gay dichotomy. Evidence suggests that a large portion of society fills the middle sections of Kinsey's distribution.
Posted on 2/14/14 at 8:16 am to Joshjrn
They are not strawmen. They are really people I know. You don't know as much as you think you know regarding sexual behaviors. Men, are by nature, predators and it is scene within our sexual appetites that must be controlled and disciplined. Since the left often loves to compare us to other animals (penguins come to mind) I will as well for this instance. The predatorial animal that gets a "taste" for something once he has tried it will never be able to forget what he has tried and it will often want more and more of it. We know this is true and state so regarding pedophilia that it cannot be cured.
We also know that women are not wired the same way as men and one of the things that women need to shut the frick up about is "how gay men are" when they don't know how gay men are in the dark places like the sex clubs in this city. Gay men are men that for the most part are completely defined by what their dicks want and the "right" to be able to have as much sex with others because it is the "freedom of not being married to a woman and allowing those antiquated religious teachings stifle us and corral that sexual freedom."
have you ever seen men with traffic cones being shoved in and out of their asses? I have. It's not uncommon in certain gay establishments. Have you ever seen men in slings getting fricked by one guy after another? Have you seen those same men and get upset because the Health Department in L.A. wants those businesses closed because the diseases that continue to spread to others are not going away yet the LGBT Rights groups have so much power that the Health officials can't close those businesses down. Think about how those businesses can't be closed but a bakery will be closed if it doesn't make a wedding cake for a gay wedding because the owner doesn't want to because it violates his religious beliefs.
You tell me who is actually hurting more people? That Christian business owner or the LGBT rights advocates.
We also know that women are not wired the same way as men and one of the things that women need to shut the frick up about is "how gay men are" when they don't know how gay men are in the dark places like the sex clubs in this city. Gay men are men that for the most part are completely defined by what their dicks want and the "right" to be able to have as much sex with others because it is the "freedom of not being married to a woman and allowing those antiquated religious teachings stifle us and corral that sexual freedom."
have you ever seen men with traffic cones being shoved in and out of their asses? I have. It's not uncommon in certain gay establishments. Have you ever seen men in slings getting fricked by one guy after another? Have you seen those same men and get upset because the Health Department in L.A. wants those businesses closed because the diseases that continue to spread to others are not going away yet the LGBT Rights groups have so much power that the Health officials can't close those businesses down. Think about how those businesses can't be closed but a bakery will be closed if it doesn't make a wedding cake for a gay wedding because the owner doesn't want to because it violates his religious beliefs.
You tell me who is actually hurting more people? That Christian business owner or the LGBT rights advocates.
This post was edited on 2/14/14 at 8:19 am
Posted on 2/14/14 at 8:26 am to los angeles tiger
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los angeles tiger
Figured you'd be in this thread...
In your case, did you choose to be gay and then choose to stop being gay? Do you still consider yourself to be a gay man, but not a "practicing" one?
As a heterosexual man, I can say from my own personal experience that once I realized there was a game to be played, I was always on one team. I no more chose that than I did my eye color. Those that argue that homosexuality is a choice seem to open the door to the possibility that they, themselves, had to choose a heterosexual relationship over a homosexual one. I did not...why then most homosexuals?
So in your case, did you choose homosexual sex despite the fact that you were equally attracted to women? If so, what societal factors lead you to that choice?
Posted on 2/14/14 at 8:28 am to los angeles tiger
Do you have any idea what this thread is about?
Posted on 2/14/14 at 8:48 am to Joshjrn
I probably know more about what this "thread is all about" than you or the arrogant one that just posted above this.
Sexual desires are just that. They are desires that you choose to act upon and must be disciplined and controlled. We have a society that has wants total celebration and encouragment of acting out on those desires without any repercussion or responsibilities for those choices. We have more children being born to women not married and will grow up without a father because we "celebrate this" and have a government that makes the disciplined ones pay for it in many, many ways.
The guy that this thread is about was mocked by you but you don't him at all and I do. He grew up out here and not in what you did in the South. You ridicule a person that was such a major advocate of all the LGBTQQIIAA rights stuff because you think he is not going to be happy unless he is getting fricked or sucking dick.
It didn't make him happy doing what you think will only make him happy. In fact, he had health issues from it just like most "gay/bi men" have that you don't think really exists from such behaviors.
To Geaux, I have just as much right and authority to post about this as you do. I do not tell you what to post or call you various names because of your ignorance so please stop doing so to me when I am much, much better informed than you.
Sexual desires are just that. They are desires that you choose to act upon and must be disciplined and controlled. We have a society that has wants total celebration and encouragment of acting out on those desires without any repercussion or responsibilities for those choices. We have more children being born to women not married and will grow up without a father because we "celebrate this" and have a government that makes the disciplined ones pay for it in many, many ways.
The guy that this thread is about was mocked by you but you don't him at all and I do. He grew up out here and not in what you did in the South. You ridicule a person that was such a major advocate of all the LGBTQQIIAA rights stuff because you think he is not going to be happy unless he is getting fricked or sucking dick.
It didn't make him happy doing what you think will only make him happy. In fact, he had health issues from it just like most "gay/bi men" have that you don't think really exists from such behaviors.
To Geaux, I have just as much right and authority to post about this as you do. I do not tell you what to post or call you various names because of your ignorance so please stop doing so to me when I am much, much better informed than you.
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