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re: Did Obama Unwittingly Kill the Democrat Party?
Posted on 3/12/25 at 9:30 am to KCT
Posted on 3/12/25 at 9:30 am to KCT
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If you weren't smart enough to figure out that Obama was a radical who got by on fake charm and a worshipping media, that's your problem.
That has nothing to do with his comment.
Your "Kill" comment is what he was addressing. The DEM party took a big L in November but by no means is it "killed".
Read the words and reply to those words. Don't just create fantasies and strawmen to respond to.
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yet any critical evaluation of Obama sends you off the cliff?
This isn't actual, critical evaluation of Obama. I did that early and often 2008-2016.
This is conspiratorial fantasy with no evidence other than "trust me bro" and "connecting dots".
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Do you really think the posters here can't see thru you? To say that you are incredibly disingenuous is a colossal understatement.
And now you continue to argue against something that doesn't exist
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let's hear your current assessment of the Democrat Party and how they have arrived at this incredible low point in their history.
I already gave it to you, and linked it again, and you have shown your inability to read words yet again.
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Posted on 3/12/25 at 9:32 am to lake chuck fan
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Obama is a Marxist intent on "change", his idea of change requires destroying everything that made America great. His "change" is what drove the Dem party into what we see today.
The DRM party was/is a useful tool.
100% TRUTH. Obama has been on the national scene since 2007, yet some still scoff at the idea that he's a radical, America-hating POS.
Posted on 3/12/25 at 9:32 am to SlowFlowPro
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Your "Kill" comment is what he was addressing. The DEM party took a big L in November but by no means is it "killed".
Who do you foresee leading their move to appeal to the middle? When do you anticipate we will see the first signs of this move?
Posted on 3/12/25 at 9:32 am to SlowFlowPro
SFP, you are laughing at Rs being about small government, and based on Trump's first term, you would've been justified, but they are waging war on the government bureaucracy. This is the heart of big government. Transfer payments, while not great in my view, are not really what we mean by big government.
Posted on 3/12/25 at 9:33 am to KCT
Obama was and still is the instigator of the "transformation of America" as he put it. This push sent the Dems into radical views on everything from self destruction of the country to idiotic takes on LGBQ crap (makes sense from Obama's view sense he is a member of that club). The country has rejected this culture change that the globalist/Dems have been pushing. Obama's third term really amped up the radical policies. Now that the majority of Americans have said enough the Dems. are doubling down on stupid. Trump has been pushing "common sense" hard and it resonates with the sane portion of the public. The one thing that Trump will struggle with is the soon coming recession that is really unavoidable regardless of who is in the WH. It has to happen. In short, yes Obama has damaged the Democratic party and the members of the party are doing nothing to separate themselves from it.
Posted on 3/12/25 at 9:33 am to SlowFlowPro
We all see it, smooth brain, you’re just to stupid to be able to hide it
Posted on 3/12/25 at 9:34 am to KCT
I voted for HRC in the first primary and that was the last time I voted Democrat. When I read about his background and his associations, I knew he would just divide America. That was the last vote I cast for the Democrat party. After Obama won the election, I changed my party affiliation from D to I.
Posted on 3/12/25 at 9:34 am to Y.A. Tittle
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Who do you foresee leading their move to appeal to the middle? W
Right now they're not doing such a hot job of that, but we will see what happens after the recession hits. It's their opportunity but they may be too stupid to listen to me.
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When do you anticipate we will see the first signs of this move?
We are already seeing some of it, but if they want to seize on the moment, it will be after the recession begins. With this CR last night, Trump, et al are doing the Biden policy of printing to push off the recession, so it's not clear exactly when it will really ramp up now.
Posted on 3/12/25 at 9:34 am to Penrod
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Transfer payments, while not great in my view, are not really what we mean by big government.
Again, even by this standard, the CR yesterday says "No"
Posted on 3/12/25 at 9:34 am to KCT
Obama was and still is the instigator of the "transformation of America" as he put it. This push sent the Dems into radical views on everything from self destruction of the country to idiotic takes on LGBQ crap (makes sense from Obama's view sense he is a member of that club). The country has rejected this culture change that the globalist/Dems have been pushing. Obama's third term really amped up the radical policies. Now that the majority of Americans have said enough the Dems. are doubling down on stupid. Trump has been pushing "common sense" hard and it resonates with the sane portion of the public. The one thing that Trump will struggle with is the soon coming recession that is really unavoidable regardless of who is in the WH. It has to happen. In short, yes Obama has damaged the Democratic party and the members of the party are doing nothing to separate themselves from it.
Posted on 3/12/25 at 9:35 am to RollTide4547
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And when they voted for him because they saw the black part in him, they voted against the other guy because they saw the white in him. Seems to be the very definition of racism.
Here again, The Left always projects. They ran Obama because he was half black and they could exploit race in this country. They did all of this while pointing the finger at whites and accusing whites of racism.
Posted on 3/12/25 at 9:35 am to Bourre
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We all see it, smooth brain,
He says, unironically, without the ability to respond
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you’re just to stupid to be able to hide it
This board's median IQ falling dramatically after 2016 (especially after 2019) has nothing to do with me, and the constant examples of Dunning-Kruger do nothing to dispute that point.
Posted on 3/12/25 at 9:36 am to KCT
Republicans are doing great... but Democrats should be bullish if their historical low point is a 220-215 R House and 53-47 Senate. With their most unpopular candidates in 24 years as well.
the progressives didn't take over the Democrat Party until after 2018 imo. and they did overperform in the 2018, 2022 midterms. Obama after he departed office also doesn't act as a kingmaker, he follows the party. he wanted an open primary but the DNC / Biden chose Harris.
the progressives didn't take over the Democrat Party until after 2018 imo. and they did overperform in the 2018, 2022 midterms. Obama after he departed office also doesn't act as a kingmaker, he follows the party. he wanted an open primary but the DNC / Biden chose Harris.
Posted on 3/12/25 at 9:37 am to SlowFlowPro
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We are already seeing some of it, but if they want to seize on the moment, it will be after the recession begins. With this CR last night, Trump, et al are doing the Biden policy of printing to push off the recession, so it's not clear exactly when it will really ramp up now.
Do you think the Democrat opposition to the CR is part of their move to the middle? What is their more middle ground proposal in response to this? Is Hakeem Jeffries the right mouthpiece for this appeal?
Posted on 3/12/25 at 9:37 am to SlowFlowPro
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Again, even by this standard, the CR yesterday says "No"
That is unfair. When you make choices, you must choose among possible alternatives. You cannot choose impossible ones that is not governing. That is what Thomas Massey is doing. Among possible alternatives what could they have done differently,SFP?
Posted on 3/12/25 at 9:37 am to Penrod
the matter isnt what a chubby, friendless individual like SFP deems "small". The matter is, which of the two parties are seen by the electorate as the party of smaller government. Further, which party is now seen as the anti-war party, the free speech party, and so on. This is the point Bill Mahr made after the election. He noted that Republicans became "the cool kids" by stealing the good elements of democrat policy, and then sitting back and letting the Trump deranged dems reflexively #resist what was once their own policies - relegating themselves to neocon status.
Posted on 3/12/25 at 9:39 am to Y.A. Tittle
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Do you think the Democrat opposition to the CR is part of their move to the middle?
No that's just anti-other team politic virtue signaling.
Posted on 3/12/25 at 9:39 am to Bama Bird
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Nancy kept them in line for a long time (we don't talk enough about how talented she actually was as a legislator), at least the ones facing the camera but that's over now. It's going to get worse for them
I definitely agree with you that Pelosi played a significant role in exacerbating the ill-advised plans of Obama and his minions. Pelosi is history now, though. She looked like she barely knew where she was during President Trump's speech.
A far cry from when she ripped up a copy of Trump's SOTU speech just 5 years ago.
Posted on 3/12/25 at 9:39 am to Penrod
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Among possible alternatives what could they have done differently,SFP?
Write a CR with the DOGE cuts baked in.
Posted on 3/12/25 at 9:41 am to Vacherie Saint
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which of the two parties are seen by the electorate as the party of smaller government
Neither.
Trump's populism is specifically targeted at using government like the DEMs as needed to help people, like the DEMs.
His inefficient economic plan to "bring manufacturing home" is the centerpiece of this philosophy. That strategy is straight up big government redistribution.
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