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re: Dems Sing Na Na Na Na Hey Hey Goodbye In House After Vote
Posted on 5/4/17 at 5:25 pm to LuckyTiger
Posted on 5/4/17 at 5:25 pm to LuckyTiger
Oh I am fairly sure congress goes blue in 2018.
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Posted on 5/4/17 at 5:29 pm to asurob1
Certain like Hillary will win certain or certain like polar bears will be extinct certain?
Posted on 5/4/17 at 5:30 pm to LuckyTiger
The GOP may lose the House...but because of ineptitude, not because they passed this slightly better than Obamacare bill.
Posted on 5/4/17 at 5:33 pm to asurob1
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Oh I am fairly sure congress goes blue in 2018.
Do you remember the name of that heroic Hamilton elector?
SO what you are rooting for is the moochers on Medicaid to rise up and vote themselves more money?
because that is all the "inreased coverage"
Posted on 5/4/17 at 5:39 pm to AggieDub14
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I do consider myself a libertarian (with a dash of green party), but I also don't think health insurance should be a for profit industry. People shouldn't be denied access to medical care so a company can make more money.
My meta-commentary on America's healthcare debate is this, you have one side of the aisle that thinks almost religiously that the best solution to America's healthcare problem is more private market involvement, no government programs, and minimal regulation. As someone who's undergrad was econ, I myself lean toward such solutions in most things....But healthcare is not 'most' things.
Here we are, 2017, and for roughly 100 years we have basically built up our healthcare system by gradually taking out all the people in the country the private insurers don't want to carry in their risk pools and covering their healthcare needs through subsidies or directly.
Yet, we are still in a place in current time where many people remain underinsured, uninsured or using the healthcare insurance they have is unaffordable to them.
We have taken the following out of the equation to help private insurers:
- People 65 and up unless paid to do so.
- The very poor, unless paid to do so.
- We give help in the form of a tax credit for employers when they offer employee insurance.
- Then there is the ACA subsidies for the individual market.
So private insurance can't even be trusted to adequately cover the pool of people they are responsible for now, since as we see, costs continue to be world-leading and people pay more here then anywhere else.
Yet to a not insignificant portion of the population, the best solution in their mind is turning those people the private market didn't want to cover, back over to private insurers. Except with even less oversight, less controls, and little regulation.
This post was edited on 5/4/17 at 5:40 pm
Posted on 5/4/17 at 5:41 pm to asurob1
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Oh I am fairly sure congress goes blue in 2018.
Just looking at facebook, seeing some outrage from Trump supporters.
Just a terrible bill. HOw is Post partum depression and Caesarean sections labeled a pre existing condition?
Posted on 5/4/17 at 5:50 pm to Mudminnow
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Just looking at facebook, seeing some outrage from Trump supporters.
Just a terrible bill. HOw is Post partum depression and Caesarean sections labeled a pre existing condition?
They even managed to sneak in some clauses that could harm the nearly half of Americans that get employer insurance.
Posted on 5/4/17 at 5:51 pm to LuckyTiger
quote:No, it doesn't.
that takes healthcare
Health insurance is NOT the same a healthcare.
Posted on 5/4/17 at 5:51 pm to Sid in Lakeshore
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People want coverage for existing conditions....... At low rates....... That is not insurance. That is shifting the cost of your healthcare onto others. Once you get cancer, it is a little late to go shopping for insurance and asking others (who have been paying for insurance all along) to help you pay for your treatments. Coverage for existing conditions is not Insurance. Let's get this over with and nationalize critical healthcare. Elective surgeries can remain privatized.
This. Not sure why more people can't understand this.
Posted on 5/4/17 at 5:52 pm to LuckyTiger
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bill that takes healthcare away from millions
that is a lie
Posted on 5/4/17 at 5:54 pm to ljhog
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that is a lie
It's you who is swallowing a lie.
It is simple math, you cut Medicaid funding, raise the costs for lots of people with the new community rating, reduce the incentive for healthy people to sign up, and reduce subsidies, you end covering fewer people.
You can argue about the exact figures, but it is going to be a lot.
This post was edited on 5/4/17 at 6:09 pm
Posted on 5/4/17 at 5:58 pm to AggieDub14
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The Affordable Care Act was unpopular because of smear campaigns
Pre Obama care by family insurance was about 500 a month and I had choices. Now it is 1200 and I basically have no choices.
What smear campaign did that?
Posted on 5/4/17 at 6:11 pm to igoringa
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Pre Obama care by family insurance was about 500 a month and I had choices. Now it is 1200 and I basically have no choices.
What smear campaign did that?
Nothing, Insurance costs have been on an upward climb for decades.
Employers have also been gradually putting more costs onto employees, pre-dating the ACA. In the form of higher deductibles, a greater share of premiums, or just different plans.
The crazy thing is that healthcare costs in the employer market have slowed, but not for employees. Because the savings has not been passed on.
The AHCA is not going to stop any of this. In fact, it could make it worse with the recent amendment.
This post was edited on 5/4/17 at 6:12 pm
Posted on 5/4/17 at 6:50 pm to shinerfan
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Certain like Hillary will win certain or certain like polar bears will be extinct certain?
LOL...I voted for Kasich.
Posted on 5/4/17 at 6:51 pm to gthog61
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Do you remember the name of that heroic Hamilton elector?
SO what you are rooting for is the moochers on Medicaid to rise up and vote themselves more money?
because that is all the "inreased coverage"
You forget how political cycles work.
two years in people will flip congress....just like they did in 2010 ;-)
Posted on 5/4/17 at 7:30 pm to AggieDub14
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The Affordable Care Act was unpopular because of smear campaigns. The masses agree pre-existing conditions should be covered. The masses agree on coverage up to age 26 by parents plans. The masses agree everyone should have access. The only thing that really pissed people off was the mandate. Other than that it was the smear campaigns.
Wrong. What pissed people off was the skyrocketing premiums. I'm all for everything you listed. My only problem is that I want to pay the same $110/month that I paid in 2008. Obama caused me to now have to pay $470/month for the same plan that only covers me. My wife is covered thru her work and pays another $300/month herself. We have no kids and don't want kids. We are both 35.
Posted on 5/4/17 at 7:36 pm to Jeff Boomhauer
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Wrong. What pissed people off was the skyrocketing premiums. I'm all for everything you listed. My only problem is that I want to pay the same $110/month that I paid in 2008. Obama caused me to now have to pay $470/month for the same plan that only covers me. My wife is covered thru her work and pays another $300/month herself. We have no kids and don't want kids. We are both 35.
The AHCA is not going to do anything for you. And in fact could make it worse.
Does the company you have insurance through operate in more then one state?
Posted on 5/4/17 at 7:38 pm to Jeff Boomhauer
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We have no kids and don't want kids. We are both 35.
I look down on well off and financially stable middle class and upper class people who willingly go into the childfree lifestyle while poors, white trash and ghetto hoodrats keep fricking and popping kids out left and right.
Posted on 5/4/17 at 7:43 pm to LuckyTiger
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They voted for an unpopular bill that takes healthcare away from millions of people and they did so for no apparent reason, according to the npr reporter.
So sick of this. Nobody was or will be denied HEALTHCARE.
Health INSURANCE, maybe, but not Healthcare.
Posted on 5/4/17 at 7:44 pm to LuckyTiger
The Democrats will NEVER be able to remove the stigma of Obama care.
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