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re: David Sacks idea: auction off public licenses, potentially kicking ABC/CBS/NBC to cable

Posted on 10/29/24 at 8:30 am to
Posted by MMauler
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Posted on 10/29/24 at 8:30 am to
There are already laws about giving each side equal airtime. You’d have to be a special kind of fricking stupid if you think that those laws aren’t being completely violated. The first thing that federal government has to do is to enforce those laws. Force these shows to hire REAL conservatives to make these complete fricking lying scumbags look like the idiots they are.

Second, clearly, the federal government has to cut off all funding to NPR and PBS given their long-standing violations of the same laws. Let the DNC pay to have those propaganda machines spew their hate and lies over the airways. And then, of course, fine them every time they do.
Posted by Taxing Authority
Houston
Member since Feb 2010
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Posted on 10/29/24 at 8:31 am to
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Broadcast licenses are for 8 years and have to be renewed and the license holder has to apply for this renewal.

Indeed. But one doesn't need a license to produce content--which is what the three-letter networks do.

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Is this renewal process a sham and the current holder is entitled to the renewal?
It's pretty difficult to get a non-renewal. You have to do something pretty serious and usually repeatedly. But again, it has nothing to do with what content the networks produce.

Sacks is clearly ignorant how broadcasting is regulated.
Posted by Bjorn Cyborg
Member since Sep 2016
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Posted on 10/29/24 at 8:34 am to
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But again, it has nothing to do with what content the networks produce.


What does their content have to do with license renewal?

It seems the idea is to charge for the renewal. The current networks could still keep them, they would just have to pay.
Posted by Taxing Authority
Houston
Member since Feb 2010
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Posted on 10/29/24 at 8:35 am to
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There are already laws about giving each side equal airtime. You’d have to be a special kind of fricking stupid if you think that those laws aren’t being completely violated.
Nope. The "Fairness Doctrine" was eliminated decades ago. RIghtly so, or we would have never had Rush Limbaugh.

The only "equal time" rules currently in effect is around purchasing political air time. If you let Candidate A purchase an ad for $20 during some daypart, you have to let any other Candidate to purchase an add for the same price. IOW you can't give discounts to Democrats, then charge the Republican $1,000,000 per ad.

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Force these shows to hire REAL conservatives
You want the government to pick TV hosts? You sure about that? We love our small government, don't we?
This post was edited on 10/29/24 at 8:36 am
Posted by Taxing Authority
Houston
Member since Feb 2010
63317 posts
Posted on 10/29/24 at 8:38 am to
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What does their content have to do with license renewal?
Literally nothing, unless their content vioaltes decency standards and get the people that actually hold the licenses in trouble.


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It seems the idea is to charge for the renewal.
What renewal? The networks don't hold the licenses.

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The current networks could still keep them
They'd have to own them first. This is like raising driver's license prices to regulate jay walkers.
Posted by ChineseBandit58
Pearland, TX
Member since Aug 2005
49521 posts
Posted on 10/29/24 at 8:47 am to
I've always thought the networks should be charged with illegal campaign contributions - their advocacy for democrat ideology in the past decade alone would approach the trillion dollar level.

And the DNC should be fined for accepting the illegal assistance.
Posted by QboveTopSecret
America
Member since Feb 2018
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Posted on 10/29/24 at 8:48 am to


Get ready for Truth TV, and his little brother Twitter TV. Let them compete. Why beg at the trough of the legacy media.
Posted by OWLFAN86
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Posted on 10/29/24 at 8:53 am to
Some of this has been talked about on this page previously what I really want to see done is at the local level these channels what now is an ABCCBSNBC affiliate it has to go to local investors for local news local programs


they can still pick up the primetime shows with the networks I don't want to see major sports for the local teams I don't want to see that impossible to find for poor people the game needs to be broadcast in the area and needs to be seen available to be seen by all fans

Especially where fans owned the stadiums the government-funded taxpayer paid for stadiums those games should not be blocked out from any local viewer

But back to the issue of the MS M biased media influence on issues in campaigns you take it down to local level it will begin to focus and set up on national politics but state regional municipal politics and you'll also get some fixes at that level by shining the spotlight on it


I'm a big advocate for this there are several people on here that have talked about it as well this is a simple thing to do and has long lasting real benefits to the taxpayer/ American citizen


Posted by MMauler
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Posted on 10/29/24 at 9:02 am to
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The only "equal time" rules currently in effect is around purchasing political air time


I believe that the equal time rule goes well beyond just purchasing political ads or airtime. When you have three networks who all have late night talk shows that are nothing more than DNC-sponsored propaganda machines, the equal time rule should apply. In a real sense, they are giving Democrats and the DNC free advertising. Further, when it’s beyond fricking clear that everyone in their “news divisions“ do nothing more than promote one party, again they are giving the DNC and Democrats free advertising and airtime. Hell, many of their top “political journalist“ come straight from the Democrat party in the DNC like George Stephanopoulos.

I realize that these issues haven’t been directly addressed by the Supreme Court, however, a large part of that has to do with the RNC being spineless fricking RINOs for way too long. additionally, in the past, these broadcast networks at least attempted to pretend like they weren’t so fricking biased. Nowadays, they don’t even fricking pretend.

as far as Rush Limbaugh goes, that’s a completely different situation. Limbaugh had a syndicated show that was entirely relying upon advertising dollars to stay afloat. As a result, Limbaugh did pay for that time. Remember, Alec Baldwin attempted to compete with Rush Limbaugh on those terms and failed miserably. However, he did have the opportunity to compete under the same terms.
This post was edited on 10/29/24 at 9:05 am
Posted by Tarps99
Lafourche Parish
Member since Apr 2017
12683 posts
Posted on 10/29/24 at 9:03 am to
Essentially, they are already on cable and you are paying for them through your cable bill. Some places are paying nearly 40 dollars a month just for these local channels as local broadcast fee.

The TV channels have the option to provide these channels to local cable systems for free through must carry, but nearly 90% of stations use Retransmission Agreements that force cable systems to pay to carry these stations.

Also, it can be incredilby difficult to receive some of these stations via over the air, and they are compressing the crap out of their signals to carry more and more subchannels.

With the future standard ready to roll out, the broadcasters are stepping on their own excrement for ATSC 3.0. Some of this is greed and some of it is concerns for copyright protection. Also, the manufacturers are getting slammed on patent issues, and are not choosing to include these tuners.

Now you could look at some mandates that would roll back restrictions on free speech by reimplementing the Fairness Doctrine, but that is a two way street that no one wants to cross.
Posted by TigerIron
Member since Feb 2021
4011 posts
Posted on 10/29/24 at 9:03 am to
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Yay. Screw the free press! The Founders would be happy, I’m sure.


"The free press" doesn't mean "they get free shite." Those licenses are valuable public property and the legacy networks have no legal or moral entitlement to them if they can't retain the public's trust.
Posted by Bjorn Cyborg
Member since Sep 2016
35494 posts
Posted on 10/29/24 at 9:15 am to
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What renewal? The networks don't hold the licenses


Networks do hold licenses to their frequency for a specified term and are subject to renewals.

I have no idea what you are babbling about.
Posted by BugAC
St. George
Member since Oct 2007
57856 posts
Posted on 10/29/24 at 9:17 am to
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Yay. Screw the free press! The Founders would be happy, I’m sure.


Can you explain your response to where you don't look so stupid?

Or, is this another dumb comment based purely on emotion and zero intelligence, so you can't really articulate what you meant by that. You just know it makes you so angry and you hate it....
This post was edited on 10/29/24 at 9:18 am
Posted by Bjorn Cyborg
Member since Sep 2016
35494 posts
Posted on 10/29/24 at 9:22 am to
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the equal time rule should apply. In a real sense, they are giving Democrats and the DNC free advertising.


This would be impossible to measure or quantify.
Posted by MMauler
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Member since Jun 2013
24462 posts
Posted on 10/29/24 at 9:36 am to
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This would be impossible to measure or quantify.


Not only would it be possible, it would be relatively simple. This is what experts are for.
Posted by TenWheelsForJesus
Member since Jan 2018
11356 posts
Posted on 10/29/24 at 9:39 am to
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Imagine that goat rope, sorry you can't make a 911 call because there is no bandwidth available because some stupid bachelorette show is being streamed.


You can already make 911 calls on phones without a cell provider, so they can clearly determine a 911 call vs the Bachelorette streaming. Providers throttle bandwidth all the time. Doing it when someone makes a 911 call if necessary would not be an issue.
Posted by Taxing Authority
Houston
Member since Feb 2010
63317 posts
Posted on 10/29/24 at 9:40 am to
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I believe that the equal time rule goes well beyond just purchasing political ads or airtime.
You can believe anything you like. Feel free to point out pertinent FCC regulatory or ALJ actions that back your beliefs up.

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When you have three networks who all have late night talk shows that are nothing more than DNC-sponsored propaganda machines, the equal time rule should apply.
Wxcept there is no rule. The “Fairness Doctrine” was eliminated in 1987.

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Further, when it’s beyond fricking clear that everyone in their “news divisions“ do nothing more than promote one party, again they are giving the DNC and Democrats free advertising and airtime.
That would be an FEC issue, not and FCC issue. But it’s going to be a high hurdle to censor content production because it violates campaign finance laws. We do still have a 1st amendment.

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as far as Rush Limbaugh goes, that’s a completely different situation. Limbaugh had a syndicated show that was entirely relying upon advertising dollars to stay afloat.

it’s precisely the same. Just as Rush had syndication deals to deliver content to local license holders—so do the three-letter networks. It’s literally the same distribution mechanism

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Remember, Alec Baldwin attempted to compete with Rush Limbaugh on those terms and failed miserably. However, he did have the opportunity to compete under the same terms.
Literally has nothing to do with spectrum licensing.
Posted by Taxing Authority
Houston
Member since Feb 2010
63317 posts
Posted on 10/29/24 at 9:42 am to
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Now you could look at some mandates that would roll back restrictions on free speech by reimplementing the Fairness Doctrine, but that is a two way street that no one wants to cross.
Yeah. It fundamentally didn’t work.

If anything should be looked at—it should be ownership limits. We. we’re much better off with local licensees and more diverse ownership. But we can thank Newt Gingrich for getting g rid of that.
Posted by Taxing Authority
Houston
Member since Feb 2010
63317 posts
Posted on 10/29/24 at 9:42 am to
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The free press" doesn't mean "they get free shite." Those licenses are valuable public property and the legacy networks have no legal or moral entitlement to them
Posted by Bjorn Cyborg
Member since Sep 2016
35494 posts
Posted on 10/29/24 at 9:46 am to
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This is what experts are for.


Not sure if serious
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