re: Data shows cases are up in least vaccinated areas

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By the CDC? Link?

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Why would it matter if the CDC reported it? Or do you want the exact citation? It isn't exactly a secret if people knew anything about smallpox vaccination efforts, which had exceedingly high injury rates. I'm responding to the notion that 'we are just now hearing about it.'

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Released data showing the vaccinated are walking around with higher viral loads (coupled with symptoms, that makes them more likely to spread it), 

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So who makes up hospitalized patients usually?

Who makes up deaths from covid, vaccinated or unvaccinated?

I mean if he's reality is where it's at and the vaccine does nothing, why do unvaccinated die way more commonly than the vaccinated?

What matters to you, dying or getting a cold?

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Vaccinated should wear masks again (to reiterate - masks don't work, but even the folks who do believe they work say they only work to keep from spredding, not contracting)

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I do hate to say this, but you can't quote the cdc when it comes to giving good medical advice. They are nothing more than a political organization.

This happened when Obama was president.

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I’m not at a great risk from covid

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It's about not spreading it to those with weak immune systems and others that can't get a vaccine but hey frick them you're too scared of a little vaccine

Damn this board has become anti vaxx and is too far up their own arse to see it

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Because the CDC noting it 50 years later seems odd to me.

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Why would it be odd? I'm sure if I looked, I could find references to it earlier in CDC literature, as the injury rate of smallpox vaccines wasn't exactly hidden from the public. In fact, DA Henderson, who was involved in the CDC response to the smallpox eradication effort, has published numerous snippets as well as a book about the effort, with references to the various injuries that vaccination effort caused.

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Then your position seems to be that, since the virus continually mutates, then there is no way to realistically fight it. So, why have vaccines?

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Well the mRNA vaccines are trying to manipulate the virus by putting selective pressure onto the most pathogenic portion of the virus, the spike protein, as these viruses exist as quasispecies in every individual, but still around a predominant strain. If enough people have enough antibodies to what causes the most severe disease, then the virus's genomic options generation to generation are limited significantly, at which point it can reach what is called the error threshold rate, where the mutation rate of the virus exceeds its ability to retain a stable genomic population generation to generation.

The problem with natural immunity is that it relies on memory B cell response, which itself takes time to restart, with chances for reinfection, but also the severity will decrease with subsequent infections. There is also a chance that the initial immune response can create what is called antigenic sin, in which the initial immune response can affect the responses by the immune system to other, closely related antigens, rather than an antigen specific response.

Public health officials have done a poor job describing the theory behind this particular vaccination attempt, and what would optimize it, as without population equilibrium, the effectiveness of piecemeal vaccination approach is limited. It is especially difficult in light of the fact that the infection is worldwide, and to effectively combat it, you need a worldwide approach, not one based on the individual profits of certain companies.

To be clear, the course of a natural infection can possibly make this virus like other common infections, but that will take a long time. The best chance in the interim is to push the virus towards its error threshold rate, which vaccination and natural immunity can do, but unvaccinated populations cannot. The latter serves as a site for prolonged and occult infections as well, which increases the likelihood of robustness of other morphological elements.

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So who makes up hospitalized patients usually?

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I was answering the OP's question.

If you want to accept the public health authority's data analysis and conclusions on the hospitalization and death rates as gospel, that's up to you.

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I do hate to say this, but you can't quote the cdc when it comes to giving good medical advice. They are nothing more than a political organization.

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And there it is. I agree with you.

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It's about not spreading it to those with weak immune systems and others that can't get a vaccine but hey frick them you're too scared of a little vaccine

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Who can’t get a vaccine?

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54% of the population is vaxxed. 21% of the population had COVID and has natural immunity.

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There’s some overlap there. But your overall point is correct. There’s not a lot of vulnerable population left.

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quote: 54% of the population is vaxxed. 21% of the population had COVID and has natural immunity.

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There’s some overlap there. But your overall point is correct. There’s not a lot of vulnerable population left.

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My wife and my parents are in this “overlapping” group, but they are it amongst my personal family and friends.

Now, as to those that have been vaccinated and are currently dealing with Covid, that list is growing.

My question is:

Is your immune system stronger with having Covid prior to your vaccination, or after (or, does it even matter?)?