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re: Dash cam video of Philando Castile killing
Posted on 6/21/17 at 8:04 am to StrongSafety
Posted on 6/21/17 at 8:04 am to StrongSafety
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Worse part of this is seeing the daughter, seemingly confused, run into the arms of the agency that slaughtered her dad.
It was a horrible thing....and i have gone on record that it appeared as if the cop was in the wrong. That said, there are a couple of things that does not mesh with the girlfriends story and Facebook feed.
She said the cop asked for the license and registration, then Castile said he had a gun and license to carry. She then said that as he was reaching for his license and registration the cop opened fire.
The video clearly shows Castile handing the license and registration to the cop, then telling him he had a gun and was licensed. the cop told him not to reach for the gun and he did anyway. (My guess is Castile was scared and the officers instructions did not register in his mind)
The officer clearly tells him 2-3 times "Don't reach for the weapon."
Castile acted foolishly in not obeying clear instructions not to reach for the gun, and the officer overreacted. Just a bad situation all the way around.
I understand why the girlfriend got stuff out of order in her Facebook post, but it changes the entire outlook of the situation.
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Posted on 6/21/17 at 8:06 am to NYNolaguy1
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Probably because the officer was quoted as saying he didn't know where the gun was
You honestly believe that he could go before a grand Jury and say "Well, I don't know if he had a gun or not, but hey I ain't taking no chances so I blew his head off anyway just in case." and the Grand Jury would say , "Meh, yea, we see not evidence of wrong doing here, not reason to bring charges."
I love the way some of your heads work. It's comical. It's like anything that does not support your argument or worse yet actually counters your argument, you just dismiss it like it doesn't exist. And your clairvoyance to come to your conclusions without any of the true facts and evidence at all is remarkable.
Posted on 6/21/17 at 8:07 am to StrongSafety
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Where was his wallet? You can't tell from that video that he reached for the gun
I don't know, but he had already handed the license and registration to the officer.
I don't think Castile had any intention of harming the officer, or he would not have announced he had a weapon.
He was trying to please the officer by being upfront and taking the weapon out to show the officer. However, the officer told him not to take the gun out, to leave it where it was.
Just bad, all the way around.
Posted on 6/21/17 at 8:09 am to Snipe
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You honestly believe that he could go before a grand Jury and say "Well, I don't know if he had a gun or not, but hey I ain't taking no chances so I blew his head off anyway just in case." and the Grand Jury would say , "Meh, yea, we see not evidence of wrong doing here, not reason to bring charges."
Do me a favor. Read the whole thread. He was quoted on camera as saying he didn't know where the gun was. That's a fact. Spin it as you wish.
Also he was indicted. This was not in front of a grand jury. This was presented in front of a petit jury at trial. Have you kept up with this case?
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love the way some of your heads work. It's comical. It's like anything that does not support your argument or worse yet actually counters your argument, you just dismiss it like it doesn't exist. And your clairvoyance to come to your conclusions without any of the true facts and evidence at all is remarkable.
I have no idea what you're talking about.
This post was edited on 6/21/17 at 8:11 am
Posted on 6/21/17 at 8:10 am to Snipe
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I love the way some of your heads work. It's comical. It's like anything that does not support your argument or worse yet actually counters your argument, you just dismiss it like it doesn't exist. And your clairvoyance to come to your conclusions without any of the true facts and evidence at all is remarkable.
In fairness, if someone announces they have a weapon, it would be normal for you to assume they have a weapon.
I have not followed this real closely, but I have to wonder...was reasoning given why they found the officer not guilty? I mean, I would think the very least would be reckless endangerment, or involuntary manslaughter. However, if Castile had the gun in his hand, that would change things, too.
Posted on 6/21/17 at 8:14 am to 91TIGER
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Every single one of these, with the exception of the one in S.C. where he shot the fat guy in the back running away, it was a matter of compliance. Had any of these guys comply there's no story.
CAVEAT: NOT DEFENDING THE N. CHARLESTON COP
Even North Charleston was a compliance situation. Walter Scott (fat guy) had a warrant (to be fair to him, he wasn't one of the bad guys - he had a youthful drug charge that got him out of the service, and he had a bench warrant for unpaid child support. Not an angel, not a demon.) He bolted after the stop. If he had not done so, he would have been taken in for the bench warrant and bonded. I'm 100% convinced of that.
He initiated a foot pursuit (which he lost, badly) and struggled with Slager. I'm fairly convinced that Slager was going to taser Scott during the struggle, but Scott was able to dislodge the taser from Slager's grip. Slager then decided - rather than chasing Scott or letting him get away, to just execute him (which is the very definition of homicide).
All of the terrible consequences actually flowed from Scott's decisions and everything that Slager did PRIOR TO the shooting appears justified. The shooting itself, of course, was not and resulted in supportable murder charges and ultimately the plea agreement reached.
I'm torn on Castile. I can see the arguments for both sides.
Posted on 6/21/17 at 8:19 am to the808bass
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No he doesn't, moron. Get your ears checked and argue something remotely close to something that actually happened.
This post was edited on 6/21/17 at 8:23 am
Posted on 6/21/17 at 8:21 am to StrongSafety
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Is not following orders a death sentence?
It is when that entails reaching for a gun
Posted on 6/21/17 at 8:23 am to DawgsLife
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I don't think Castile had any intention of harming the officer, or he would not have announced he had a weapon.
This is such a ridiculous statement
So the normal response to someone announcing they have a gun is to feel relaxed because there is no way they would ever shoot you after saying that?
Just think about how ridiculous that sounds
This post was edited on 6/21/17 at 8:24 am
Posted on 6/21/17 at 8:31 am to WaWaWeeWa
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So the normal response to someone announcing they have a gun is to feel relaxed because there is no way they would ever shoot you after saying that?
Where did I say anything remotely close to that? I never said he should feel relaxed. When there is a gun involved and an officer, you should never feel relaxed, because any kind of confusion could happen to make the situation go bad....just like it did.
You reading comprehension leaves a lot to be desired.
I merely speculated the intent of Castile. If you are going to shoot a police officer, you don't announce that you have a gun, though.
Both parties should be vigilant and wary of the other. Castile should have been very careful not to make any fast moves, and make sure he obeys every instruction the officer gives him, (Like...don't reach for the gun)
and the officer needs to be alert in case Castile reaches for the gun.
How the heck did you get your impression from my post?
Posted on 6/21/17 at 8:36 am to WaWaWeeWa
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So the normal response to someone announcing they have a gun is to feel relaxed
Most LEO have weapons. Should I feel nervous around them? Statistically speaking LEO are about 20 times more likely to shoot someone than be shot at.
Posted on 6/21/17 at 8:37 am to NYNolaguy1
Does not knowing where the gun is change anything?
The guy announces he has a gun and then starts reaching for something when told to not pull it out
Castille didn't know how to properly interact with a police officer while carrying a gun
They should make everyone who buys a gun sign a waiver that they understand the risks. I'm all for gun rights, but I love how people just think they should be able to carry without any increased risk or responsibility
The guy announces he has a gun and then starts reaching for something when told to not pull it out
Castille didn't know how to properly interact with a police officer while carrying a gun
They should make everyone who buys a gun sign a waiver that they understand the risks. I'm all for gun rights, but I love how people just think they should be able to carry without any increased risk or responsibility
Posted on 6/21/17 at 8:39 am to DawgsLife
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If you are going to shoot a police officer, you don't announce that you have a gun, though.
This is 100% false
Posted on 6/21/17 at 8:49 am to WaWaWeeWa
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The guy announces he has a gun and then starts reaching for something when told to not pull it out
I can understand the officers fear here, but it should have been the officer's job to de-escalate the situation by instructing him to leave the vehicle and disarm him- obviously that didn't happen.
Instead all he did was tell him not to reach for it repeatedly. Is it reasonable to assume Castile was going for his gun? I'm not convinced of that.
The officer's claim he was in fear of his life is predicated on the fact that he perceived a threat he couldn't see, which is why I think his statement is important and why I am not sure his assumption was reasonable.
I can concoct all sorts of crazy scenarios where I perceive dangers I can't see and I am certain if I act on them I go to prison.
Posted on 6/21/17 at 8:52 am to DawgsLife
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but he had already handed the license and registration to the officer.
Incorrect. He had only handed his insurance card to Yanez.
Posted on 6/21/17 at 8:55 am to NYNolaguy1
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Instead all he did was tell him not to reach for it repeatedly. Is it reasonable to assume Castile was going for his gun? I'm not convinced of that.
Typically an officer will say "don't move" or " put your hands up" or "put your hands on the wheel." The other officers who testified said they would've used different words. Yanez freaked out a bit.
Posted on 6/21/17 at 8:58 am to NYNolaguy1
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The officer's claim he was in fear of his life is predicated on the fact that he perceived a threat he couldn't see, which is why I think his statement is important
His testimony isn't compelling for me given the fact he changed his story from right after the event to testifying in court.
Posted on 6/21/17 at 9:02 am to Thib-a-doe Tiger
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How do you know he didn't?
It was still in his pocket?
This post was edited on 6/21/17 at 9:03 am
Posted on 6/21/17 at 9:04 am to the808bass
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Yanez freaked out a bit.
The fact that he stood there for 5 minutes with his gun pointed at Castile after he had shot him, the muttering and breathing, and having to be talked down by another officer, makes this an understatement.
He seemed to almost be in shock.
Posted on 6/21/17 at 9:06 am to WaWaWeeWa
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So all the black officers and police chiefs are in on this too? What you described above.., does it happen in say a city like Baltimore?
In on it is probably not the best phrasing. I think most cops are unaware of the city's need for them to generate revenue. It got so bad in Missouri, we had to pass a law that limited a city's percentage of total revenue collected through traffic tickets to 30%.
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