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re: Dash cam video of Philando Castile killing
Posted on 6/21/17 at 9:14 am to WaWaWeeWa
Posted on 6/21/17 at 9:14 am to WaWaWeeWa
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If you are going to shoot a police officer, you don't announce that you have a gun, though.
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This is 100% false
So, it is your position that if you intend to shoot an officer you say, "I have a gun and i am now going to take it out and shoot you with it!"?
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Posted on 6/21/17 at 9:17 am to the808bass
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Incorrect. He had only handed his insurance card to Yanez.
Really? Was this brought out in the trial? I couldn't tell by the video and thought he must have handed both at the same time. It looked like he handed him two things, but the video is not real clear.
Posted on 6/21/17 at 9:19 am to kingbob
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You also see the officer repeatedly tell him not to reach for the gun, but he does so anyway.
He reached for his license. There is no evidence that he reached for his gun. This is a bad situation all around. The man was calm and told the officer he needed to inform him that he was carrying. You do the officer or his buddy said the officer was scared for his life because the man was staring at him. Jeez.
This post was edited on 6/21/17 at 9:20 am
Posted on 6/21/17 at 9:25 am to NYNolaguy1
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I can understand the officers fear here, but it should have been the officer's job to de-escalate the situation by instructing him to leave the vehicle and disarm him- obviously that didn't happen.
It sounded like he was trying to deescalate it. he told him several times not to reach for anything.
Ironically, if Castile had not told him he had a weapon he might still be alive. As soon as he told him he had a weapon, the officer (Rightfully so) put his hand on his gun to be ready.
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Instead all he did was tell him not to reach for it repeatedly. Is it reasonable to assume Castile was going for his gun? I'm not convinced of that.
Well, it was all happening at the same time. Castile told him about the weapon, and began reaching for (whatever) and the officer began saying don't reach for it...I think Castile telling him he had a weapon put the thought of the weapon in the officers head, and that's where the trouble began.
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I can concoct all sorts of crazy scenarios where I perceive dangers I can't see and I am certain if I act on them I go to prison.
I'm sure you can, however:
1. he was told there was a weapon in the car.
2. Castile began to reach for something.
3. The officer told him not to reach for anything.
4. Castile continued to reach for something.
When an officer tells you not to reach for something....don't reach for something. This isn't a game. If the officer is shot, he could be dead. There is no coming back from that. There is no..."I wish I had reacted, instead of waiting to see." If it is my life at risk, I honestly don't know how I would react. We have the benefit of hindsight. he has split seconds to make a decision. He probably made the wrong decision.
Posted on 6/21/17 at 9:27 am to LSUTANGERINE
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The man was calm and told the officer he needed to inform him that he was carrying.
I understand Castile feeling like he should be as open and honest with the officer. Especially in light of what has happened around the country. Bad situation all the way around.
Posted on 6/21/17 at 9:31 am to OneFifty
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He seemed to almost be in shock.
I'm sure he was. It's a rare occurrence that officers pull their weapons, much less fire them or shoot somebody. He was pretty sure he had just killed another human being, and was probably terrified that Castile did not deserve it. It would be enough to freak anybody out and make them mutter or fall apart.
Posted on 6/21/17 at 9:39 am to FooManChoo
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n an officer is dealing with someone with a gun, yes. Police officers want to live, too, and they can't take chances with people who have firearms and are not complying with orders.
This is a dangerous line of thinking.
And a stupid one.
Comply or die if you're legally carrying a firearm.
Posted on 6/21/17 at 9:39 am to StrongSafety
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Where was his wallet? You can't tell from that video that he reached for the gun
DL was suspended. Castille was high on marijuana and carrying (crime) and the officer repeatedly telling him to stop reaching for it. Criminal got shot and died as a result of his own actions and failure to listen to law enforcement (AGAIN... dammit). Secondly, a jury reviewed all the evidence for 27 hours and found that there was no wrongdoing (AGAIN...). Quit blowing your loads on criminals and stand up for the hundreds of innocent lives that are lost in the inner cities each night.
Posted on 6/21/17 at 9:41 am to DawgsLife
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Really? Was this brought out in the trial?
Yes. Castile's insurance card was in Yanez's pocket. His license and carry card were still in his wallet. That was all in evidence.
Posted on 6/21/17 at 9:46 am to bmy
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This is a dangerous line of thinking.
And a stupid one.
Comply or die if you're legally carrying a firearm.
Yes. Are you saying that if you are in a traffic stop and an officer tells you not to pull out a firearm, that you should be able to pull it out and wave it around if you are carrying it legally?
Posted on 6/21/17 at 9:47 am to bmy
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Comply or die if you're legally carrying a firearm.
Correct.
If you're carrying a firearm you should understand the added responsibility you have when interacting with police.
Posted on 6/21/17 at 9:48 am to the808bass
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Yes. Castile's insurance card was in Yanez's pocket. His license and carry card were still in his wallet. That was all in evidence.
Ah. Thanks.
Is what the poster above said correct? He was high? He was driving on an expired license? And he was carrying when he was not supposed to? (Ex-con)
I am asking, because if he was an ex-con, how did he get a carry permit?
ETA
Ok. I did more research. Apparently he had been arrested before, but it was for driving with an expired license and a minor traffic stop. Nothing that would have kept him from getting a permit.
However, he was open with his habit of smoking marijuana, posting pictures of it on Instagram. Then he lied on his application for a carry permit saying he did not use controlled substances, so he should not have gotten the permit. (This does not insinuate that he should have been shot, though)
His girlfriend admitted that they had been smoking marijuana shortly before the stop, and had it in their car. (Again, this does not insinuate that he should be shot, but their parenting skills are absolutely horrible smoking weed while their kid was in the back seat.)
I did not see where he was driving on an expired license when he was stopped this time, though, as one poster claimed. He might have, but it was not in the story I found)
Again...it was just a really bad situation all the way around.
This post was edited on 6/21/17 at 10:01 am
Posted on 6/21/17 at 9:49 am to DawgsLife
If you are under the influence of anything then you should not be carrying.
Posted on 6/21/17 at 9:51 am to roadGator
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If you are under the influence of anything then you should not be carrying.
Actually makes carrying a crime.
ETA: But no one will see it this way because marching orders insist that there is an epidemic of white-asian murderous police officers
This post was edited on 6/21/17 at 9:52 am
Posted on 6/21/17 at 9:51 am to TaderSalad
Indeed it does.
Posted on 6/21/17 at 9:52 am to the808bass
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In on it is probably not the best phrasing. I think most cops are unaware of the city's need for them to generate revenue. It got so bad in Missouri, we had to pass a law that limited a city's percentage of total revenue collected through traffic tickets to 30%.
I think you are just confusing writing speeding tickets with "over policing"
Anyway, does it make sense that a city like Baltimore with a black mayor, black police chief, and a good amount of black officers would be ok with a policy to target poor black communities?
Your theory just doesn't hold up in cities like that
I agree it's an issue it's just not the main issue or we wouldn't see equal or worse problems in cities like Baltimore
Posted on 6/21/17 at 9:54 am to DawgsLife
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As soon as he told him he had a weapon, the officer (Rightfully so) put his hand on his gun to be ready.
I've told numerous cops i have a gun in the car when they approach my window. They only say "okay thank you"
Theres something different about the way he handled this, its not really up for debate I guess
Posted on 6/21/17 at 10:02 am to roadGator
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If you are under the influence of anything then you should not be carrying.
I don't smoke or drink or carry for that matter.
I am about as straight laced as you will ever find.
But your post is correct. I amended my post above, too.
Posted on 6/21/17 at 10:04 am to TaderSalad
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Actually makes carrying a crime.
ETA: But no one will see it this way because marching orders insist that there is an epidemic of white-asian murderous police officers
That wasn't his only crime....he lied on his permit application when he said he did not take controlled substances. I'm sure a lot of people do lie, but it is what it is. I'm sure lying on that application is a crime.
Posted on 6/21/17 at 10:04 am to olddawg26
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I've told numerous cops i have a gun in the car when they approach my window. They only say "okay thank you"
Why did he wait so long to inform the cop? You''re suppose to do it upon initial contact. Based on the climate of the country at the time, cop has every right to touch his gun, especially when Castille was reaching for "something"
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Theres something different about the way he handled this, its not really up for debate I guess
Have you seen dashcam footage of every encounter the cop had with an armed citizen? There is alot of assumption that is circulating around this and it's muddying the water.
Facts: Cop had PC. Castille was breaking the law (armed and high). Castille disregarded direct orders (numerous ones at that). Castille was shot. They didnt walk up and shoot the guy like many here are implying
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