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re: Criminal charges for Americans who employ illegals
Posted on 1/29/25 at 10:08 am to Robin Masters
Posted on 1/29/25 at 10:08 am to Robin Masters
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I'm all in on securing the border. Hope the Trump administration crushes all the contractors and companies employing illegals.
This is anti-capitalist commie tripe and decent people shouldn't fall for it.
It’s the feds job to secure the border and keep illegals out. You can’t flood the country and then prosecute businesses for hiring people that are here.
It’s like if the government flooded the nation with counterfeit currency and then prosecuted citizens for using them.
Don't do the crime if you can't do the time. We don't let drug buyers off the hook and only prosecute drug dealers. USA!
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Posted on 1/29/25 at 10:11 am to Robin Masters
You are in control of your actions--not the federal government.
If you knowingly employ illegal laborers, you should face penalties.
If you knowingly employ illegal laborers, you should face penalties.
Posted on 1/29/25 at 10:12 am to Florida_Man1981
Eh....I'm not sure about this. If Americans want to avoid taxes and pay people cash and literally dont care/need to ask citizenship status, I dont really have a problem with it. I wish more people operated in cash and avoided taxes.
I just wish there were only americans around to work.
I just wish there were only americans around to work.
Posted on 1/29/25 at 10:15 am to notsince98
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I just wish there were only americans around to work.
1. Purge all illegals
2. Cut welfare and entitlements
It will take time, but that's the long term solution to get Americans back in the workforce being producers and not just consumers.
This post was edited on 1/29/25 at 10:17 am
Posted on 1/29/25 at 10:19 am to El Segundo Guy
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If you knowingly employ illegal laborers, you should face penalties.
The key word is knowingly. And that sounds great in theory, however, when the behemoth of the Federal Government gets involved, it RARELY is sophisticated enough to know the difference. Ever dealt with the IRS? The reality is that the business may have to spend thousands of dollars defending themselves from baseless accusations from the government.
Posted on 1/29/25 at 10:21 am to Florida_Man1981
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Don't do the crime if you can't do the time. We don't let drug buyers off the hook and only prosecute drug dealers. USA!
Move to Venezuela commie trash
Posted on 1/29/25 at 10:23 am to El Segundo Guy
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you knowingly employ illegal laborers, you should face penalties.
OP didn’t say knowingly.
But tell you what, start with the people who knowingly, supported, and allowed them in.
Posted on 1/29/25 at 10:23 am to Bjorn Cyborg
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I'm all for the trades. But this is not the same thing.
99 percent of the people who go into trades don't start their own companies and just work for other people at an hourly rate.
These discussions always conflate the dude who has is own HVAC company with the hourly worker.
If you're talking to a kid about a choosing a career path the opportunity to start a trade-related company should definitely be part of the conversation. I've started 8 companies. 5 of which went broke before I learned to shut down and walk away when the work dried up. There are a lot of niches in the oilfield if you can buy some used equipment and keep it running.
Posted on 1/29/25 at 10:23 am to rob0710
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Don't tell your kids to learn a trade unless you want them to be poor and have their bodies shot at 40.
FALSE
With the upcoming AI Revolution, I think it would be pretty easy to argue the exact opposite.
Accountants - 80%+ may not have a job in 20-30 years
Lawyers - 80%+ may not have a job in 20-30 years
Doctors - 80%+ may not have a job in 20-30 years
Now perhaps a different door opens with a path for these professions to handle a different type of job, but if I was 18 right now, I would 100% study AI or a trade or perhaps both.
I truly don't know what's going to happen in the next 20-30 years.. but I'm betting it will look completely different than it does today.
Posted on 1/29/25 at 10:24 am to Florida_Man1981
How about just civil charges? fines.
Posted on 1/29/25 at 10:24 am to rob0710
Not sure what you are basing your information on but I was an electrician for 40 years before I retired. And I retired in a great financial situation. Also I’m 65 and can still do everything I did growing up. Some things take me a little longer but I still can do anything I want to do. And that’s not from age. My body has medical parts in my body from playing sports. I played until my orthopedic told me I had to stop or I would need a knee replacement quicker than I would if I stopped. I eventually did have a knee replacement but it was 20 years before I had to get it done
Posted on 1/29/25 at 10:27 am to Florida_Man1981
There was a home remodel job in the neighborhood and I met Juan and Pablo. I needed dormer work done and they came by and did the work for me. I didn’t ask if they had green cards but they did have an LLC with insurance per the card handed to me. They handled Englishhpretty well too. 
Posted on 1/29/25 at 10:27 am to shinerfan
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If you're talking to a kid about a choosing a career path the opportunity to start a trade-related company should definitely be part of the conversation. I've started 8 companies. 5 of which went broke before I learned to shut down and walk away when the work dried up. There are a lot of niches in the oilfield if you can buy some used equipment and keep it running.
For the right person, yes. But a person with the drive and entrepreneurial spirit to start and run his own company, would probably be successful in many fields - college and otherwise.
These conversations always seem to compare:
Person 1: A guy that owns his own contracting business and makes 6 figures.
Person 2: A guy who got some shitty liberal arts degree and is a failure.
It's a false comparison. Person 2 would probably be a failure if he went into the trades. And Person 1 would probably be successful if he went to college.
Posted on 1/29/25 at 10:28 am to El Segundo Guy
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If you knowingly employ illegal laborers, you should face penalties.
Well, forget the knowingly part. If I were to face a penalty for hiring any sort of contractors, including by the way, sheetrock guys or tree guys, I would not employ them. Will they have to show me a voter ID card?
Posted on 1/29/25 at 10:28 am to BigBro
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Accountants - 80%+ may not have a job in 20-30 years
Lawyers - 80%+ may not have a job in 20-30 years
Doctors - 80%+ may not have a job in 20-30 years
LOL. Especially on the doctor part.
Posted on 1/29/25 at 10:31 am to Florida_Man1981
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Hope the Trump administration crushes all the contractors and companies employing illegals.
Well then pass the legislation and sign it. I'm not sure an EO will do it. You guys are so totalitarian, my way or the highway! Silly.
Posted on 1/29/25 at 10:32 am to DeltaHog
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So you want tax paying small business owners charged with a crime for hiring a kid to wash dishes or work a weed eater.
Why not? There should be a penalty for employing illegals...
Posted on 1/29/25 at 10:38 am to Bjorn Cyborg
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It's a false comparison. Person 2 would probably be a failure if he went into the trades. And Person 1 would probably be successful if he went to college.
All true, but for a teenager looking at career paths the opportunity to eventually start his own business should be part of the conversation.
Posted on 1/29/25 at 10:47 am to shinerfan
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All true, but for a teenager looking at career paths the opportunity to eventually start his own business should be part of the conversation.
Of course. You can always start your own business if you go to college as well.
The trades are not for everyone, just as college is not for everyone. And there are a bunch of "college" jobs that you don't even need college for.
Posted on 1/29/25 at 10:50 am to The Maj
There are penalties. Believe it or not there are actual laws regarding hiring illegals.
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