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re: **CORRECTION** 40% of people being admitted to UK hospitals for COVID-19 are vaccinated
Posted on 7/19/21 at 3:25 pm to AUCoop
Posted on 7/19/21 at 3:25 pm to AUCoop
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This was actually a mis-speak on the UK Official. He has since corrected it, and Reuters updated to say that 60% of all admissions are not vaccinated. That still could mean that 40% have had some or all of their vaccine doses.
(OFFICIAL) 60% of people being admitted to UK hospitals are unvaccinated - adviser
On the surface that doesn't appear to be very effective, of course more data is needed. If its not very effective on this one, what about new strains? Not sure anyone can answer that but good luck to the people taking this stuff.
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Posted on 7/19/21 at 3:27 pm to AUCoop
When 60% of a population is vaccinated, and then represents 40% of the cases, it's a sign the vaccine does do some good. But it's very underwhelming. It makes me also consider what a couple other posters said, of that 60% who are vaccinated, it likely includes the most vulnerable of the population, which provides for a little bit more skew. It means the vaccine is a underwhelming. It does not mean the vaccine is a total bust.
Posted on 7/19/21 at 3:33 pm to deeprig9
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When 60% of a population is vaccinated, and then represents 40% of the cases, it's a sign the vaccine does do some good. But it's very underwhelming. It makes me also consider what a couple other posters said, of that 60% who are vaccinated, it likely includes the most vulnerable of the population, which provides for a little bit more skew. It means the vaccine is a underwhelming. It does not mean the vaccine is a total bust.
Its almost like someone planned it to upgrade the OS every year. Annual jab v14.21344.
Its basically a bust, if the numbers are somewhat true. Meaning, you are taking a risk and it doesn't help enough probably for most people to take the risk... the young and health in particular.
Unknown, the effective rate of followup strains.. my guess is they will be pushing annual jabs.
When someone thinks of vaccine, they don't think about it only helping say 20% or so... its really not worth the risk at that point.
This post was edited on 7/19/21 at 3:37 pm
Posted on 7/19/21 at 4:07 pm to GeauxFightingTigers1
This is garbage.
If you look at hospitalizations around here its like 100% or close to 100% are unvaccinated
This guy needs to clarify this shite
He already fricked up once
If you look at hospitalizations around here its like 100% or close to 100% are unvaccinated
This guy needs to clarify this shite
He already fricked up once
Posted on 7/19/21 at 4:34 pm to GeauxFightingTigers1
42 people dying per day is a whole lot better than a 1000 or 1200 people dying per day. I wonder how many of those deaths were terminal cancer patients who tested positive for covid?
Posted on 7/19/21 at 4:36 pm to Auburn1968
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42 people dying per day is a whole lot better than a 1000 or 1200 people dying per day. I wonder how many of those deaths were terminal cancer patients who tested positive for covid?
The early stats from March-April 2020 was the people that were already in trouble would die from the rona. I haven't been keeping up with the stats, I assuming that hasn't changed much.
The people were either obese or had one or more medical issues, basically all rona did was kill off the people that had 1% remaining in time.
Posted on 7/19/21 at 4:52 pm to Strannix
So now we've found the data from the media to believe.....this is bullshite. I don't believe the COVID death count, I don't believe the case count, and I don't believe this either.
Posted on 7/19/21 at 4:58 pm to LSU316
With the shoddy testing & “symptoms authority” protocol we’ll never know the real numbers.
Posted on 7/19/21 at 4:59 pm to MeatPants
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you look at hospitalizations around here its like 100% or close to 100% are unvaccinated
CoughcoughBullshitcoughcough
Posted on 7/19/21 at 5:26 pm to Strannix
But now they will tell you that it is clearly the unvaccinated folks fault because the unvaccinated allowed the virus to mutate in their bodies almost like a "Variant Factory" or some BS like that.
(But now it sounds like we have some Super "Variant Factories" in these vaccinated bodies creating who knows what type of variant)
(But now it sounds like we have some Super "Variant Factories" in these vaccinated bodies creating who knows what type of variant)
Posted on 7/19/21 at 5:27 pm to The Maj
quote:My position is that the admissions you are speaking of are basically tiny - and the fact that 60% of them are from the vaccinated may or may not have a relevance overall for us to consider - but certainly it does not imply that vaccines are not working or are bad.
so, your position of 60% of the people being admitted to UK hospitals is that "vaccines are not supermen"?
quote:Nah. You were making a nonsensical extrapolation to fit your pre-existing bias.
If that many people are being admitted to hospitals, then the vaccine effectiveness is probably much, much lower than 40% but I was making the math really easy for you...
Posted on 7/19/21 at 5:29 pm to the808bass
quote:Did you see the updated correction to the article:
It’s certainly not an argument for vaccination.
quote:
Britain's Chief Scientific Adviser Patrick Vallance said that 60% of people being admitted to hospital with COVID-19 are unvaccinated, correcting an earlier statement he made on Monday.
Vallance earlier said at a news conference with Prime Minister Boris Johnson that 60% of people being admitted to hospital with COVID-19 have had two doses of vaccine.
"Correcting a statistic I gave at the press conference," Vallance said on Twitter. "About 60% of hospitalisations from COVID are not from double vaccinated people, rather 60% of hospitalisations from COVID are currently from unvaccinated people."
(Chief scientific adviser corrects statement to make clear the 60% figure applies to the unvaccinated, not double vaccinated)
Posted on 7/19/21 at 5:30 pm to Big Scrub TX
Yes. That’s better. But it’s still not an inspiring number.
Posted on 7/19/21 at 5:31 pm to BurntOrangeMan
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With the shoddy testing & “symptoms authority” protocol we’ll never know the real numbers.
The tests aren't real accurate and they are counting anyone that dies with a positive covid test as a covid death even if they were a terminal cancer patient or an auto accident victim. That doesn't seem to be a good way to gather data.
Posted on 7/19/21 at 5:32 pm to the808bass
quote:I mean, everyone always knew variants could be a bit worse - and have been relieved when most have been covered.
Yes. That’s better. But it’s still not an inspiring number.
I would say look at the chart of how few people are being admitted and/or are dying now. It's just utter silliness to act as if the vaccines aren't effective. They're doing exactly what one might expect of vaccines (such as the flu vaccine): they are preventing a good number of infections, and they are acting as an attenuating anti-viral for the infections that still get through.
You seem way too rational to be an anti-vaxxer. What gives?
This post was edited on 7/19/21 at 5:41 pm
Posted on 7/19/21 at 5:36 pm to TigerVespamon
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60% of people being admitted to UK hospitals had two COVID jabs
Oh No Vaxx Bros! How embarrassing is this for us?
Posted on 7/19/21 at 5:36 pm to Big Scrub TX
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It's just utter silliness to act as if the vaccines aren't effective.
I think you need more data, if those numbers are even remotely close... I would call that ineffective. Especially considering the risks, known and unknown for taking the jab.
Basically, they are setting it up as an annual OS upgrade like they said they were going to do.
Again, we need more and real numbers though.
Posted on 7/19/21 at 5:42 pm to Big Scrub TX
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It's just utter silliness to act as if the vaccines aren't effective.
I’m not arguing they’re ineffective. I’m arguing that there is an undefined limited benefit to them. To someone under the age of 18, that benefit is very small. To someone who overcame a Covid infection, that benefit is not large.
And we can’t have an honest discussion about that outside anonymous conversations on the internet.
Posted on 7/19/21 at 5:42 pm to GeauxFightingTigers1
quote:Did you look at the chart? Infections are but a fraction of before - as are deaths and hospitalizations. Yes, some of that is natural herd immunity from infections. But to act as if the vaccinations haven't been the lion's share of that is absurd. The vaccines are working - better than planned I would say. We already have "real numbers" supporting that.
I think you need more data, if those numbers are even remotely close... I would call that ineffective. Especially considering the risks, known and unknown for taking the jab.
Posted on 7/19/21 at 5:45 pm to the808bass
quote:Eh. Another poster gave a good explanation in one of the other threads about how vaccination is a much better protection strategy than natural infection. Not that natural infection doesn't convey benefits - just that they are likely not as a good.
To someone who overcame a Covid infection, that benefit is not large
I don't disagree that under 18 has a more modest benefit than for a middle-aged person, but I'm still waiting to learn of any actual downside to the vaccines. They are safe and everyone should just get them and move on.
One of the talking points is "not FDA approved" - the same FDA that is often accused by people like me and those on the right of taking net lives by standing in the way of necessary approvals. Like you said - nobody has the ability to be honest.
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