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re: Coronavirus has now killed more Americans in 1 month than flu killed in entire year
Posted on 4/19/20 at 4:12 pm to Apollyon
Posted on 4/19/20 at 4:12 pm to Apollyon
quote:What? I said 25,000 died in the last 2 weeks. How did you misinterpret that very obvious meaning?
You think this has been here only 2 weeks.
Bless your heart
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Posted on 4/19/20 at 4:13 pm to buckeye_vol
quote:
50,000 would be a really bad season, far higher than the average.
Basically every single flu season for the last 20 years has seen around 15k-75k deaths.
Source: CDC. And medical school.
Posted on 4/19/20 at 4:14 pm to buckeye_vol
I think covid has been here longer.
Thus saying "its killed...blank... in only 2 weeks!" Is silly.
The numbers thus far are absolutely comparable to seasonal influenza.
Thus saying "its killed...blank... in only 2 weeks!" Is silly.
The numbers thus far are absolutely comparable to seasonal influenza.
Posted on 4/19/20 at 4:14 pm to Grim
How many died from regular flu this year??? None? Some? Or was it a really good year for flu numbers and deaths?? Lowest on record ?
Posted on 4/19/20 at 4:15 pm to buckeye_vol
You are wrong.
This post was edited on 6/9/20 at 1:12 pm
Posted on 4/19/20 at 4:15 pm to lsufball19
quote:It is absolutely silly if you are interested in an honest discussion. Clearly many are not.
No it’s not.
quote:These "unsubstantiated" estimations are based on a century of data and research.
Again, why people continue to use unsubstantiated estimations for the flu
quote:They are not "intentionally" undercounted. Undercounting is very simply, and quite obviously IMO, a result of the fact that we start counting at 0 and go up. A count of anything is always an undercount until everything has been counted.
with deaths, flu deaths are intentionally undercounted
quote:Even with all of the attention, and even taking into account whatever absurd rate of misattributed deaths you think is happening, the count is almost assuredly still an undercount.
the exact opposite happens with COVID-19
quote:Well, unfortunately, we do not yet have a century of data on Covid to compare apples-to-apples that way.
If we’re to have a rational conversation, then we need to have a reliable statistical method o use uniformly between the two.
But what we do have are numbers of TOTAL deaths from ALL causes in specific regions that FAR exceed the maximum death rates we have ever witnessed at the peak of a flu season.
Posted on 4/19/20 at 4:17 pm to Far north
quote:
Lowest on record ?
Mediumish from what I saw at the hospital level.
Last year was crazy.
Posted on 4/19/20 at 4:18 pm to CajunAlum Tiger Fan
quote:Yes, because that is a surefire way to avoid reading a bunch of conspiracy theories.
The CDC has exaggerated flu numbers for years and now we can all see what 30-60k deaths/ year really look like.
CDC playbook to increase flu vaccinations
Just google “Flu deaths exaggerated” and spend some time reading
Posted on 4/19/20 at 4:19 pm to Apollyon
quote:And the average and median over the last 9 years is around 37-38 thousand, with only 2 exceeding 43 thousand. We exceeded the average already. So 50,000 would be a really bad flu season.
Basically every single flu season for the last 20 years has seen around 15k-75k deaths.
Source: CDC. And medical school.
Posted on 4/19/20 at 4:19 pm to Grim
quote:
Grim
VAGINA !
Posted on 4/19/20 at 4:20 pm to Grim
quote:
11455 posts
What a waste of bandwidth
Posted on 4/19/20 at 4:22 pm to buckeye_vol
Weird.
What I said was exactly correct and I didn't even have to google.
Its almost like I was taught this shite a long time ago.
What I said was exactly correct and I didn't even have to google.
Its almost like I was taught this shite a long time ago.
Posted on 4/19/20 at 4:23 pm to buckeye_vol
Justify the shutdown using these numbers.
Go
Go
Posted on 4/19/20 at 4:23 pm to Apollyon
quote:2 Sundays ago, we had 9,636 deaths, we currently have 40,426 deaths (likely add more before the day is over), that’s 30,790 over last 2 weeks.
And this is coming from someone who intubates covid patients on the reg.
You are wrong.
I said 25,000 happens over the last 2 weeks, so if anything it was an underestimate. It doesn’t matter what you do for a living since the data are the data.
Posted on 4/19/20 at 4:25 pm to Lsut81
quote:Flu deaths by age group
Ha yeah, if pretty similar means not similar at all...
Under 18: 643 deaths, 11,190,943 infections, 0.006% mortality
18-49: 2803 deaths, 14,428,065 infections, 0.02% mortality
50-64: 6,751 deaths, 13,237,932 infections, 0.05% mortality
65+: 50,903 deaths, 5,945,690 infections, 0.85% mortality
Looks pretty heavily fricking weighted to the old to me. Just like Covid, and pretty much all diseases.
Posted on 4/19/20 at 4:26 pm to buckeye_vol
The numbers of dead will not rise to any astronomical level you suppose.
Fact.
Fact.
Posted on 4/19/20 at 4:28 pm to buckeye_vol
Now explain testing rates.
If up to 50% of those infected are asymptomatic/mildly symptomatic carriers who do not seek testing.... what is your mortality rate.
Hint: very low
If up to 50% of those infected are asymptomatic/mildly symptomatic carriers who do not seek testing.... what is your mortality rate.
Hint: very low
Posted on 4/19/20 at 4:29 pm to Grim
quote:
And that's WITH stay at home orders.
Staying at home doesn't instantly cure people that already had it.
Posted on 4/19/20 at 4:29 pm to Apollyon
quote:
Thus saying "its killed...blank... in only 2 weeks!" Is silly.
Comparing short-term deaths is pretty much the ONLY way to compare the relative badness of covid vs. flu at this time.
quote:
The numbers thus far are absolutely comparable to seasonal influenza.
The total deaths, sure. But that ignores the absolutely critical information about how long it took to compile those totals, and THE INITIAL RATE OF INFECTION AT THE START OF THE CHOSEN TIME PERIOD. I mean, this is just basic, basic shite.
Seasonal flu gets a head-start of millions of infected individuals at the "start" of each season.
Posted on 4/19/20 at 4:29 pm to uppermidwestbama
quote:
t is a flu, moron. It just kills obese, disease ridden old people. The same people who would be dead within 2 years.
“Pro-life”
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