re: Conservative Environmentalism

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the problem, is that it feels like liberals are all or nothing. We have to get rid of all gas and oil, we can only use solar, NO MORE COWS AT ALL, etc..

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bingo

this is also how you get roe v wade overturned. the mental disease 'its never enough' clown world where they shove our faces in dog shite and want more more more MORE abortion rights extended into the 3rd trimester and then tell us its ok to abort a baby even after its born...this is what you retarded monkeys get.

EAT shite. you are the ones who put women's health in jeopardy, not the sane americans.

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bingo

this is also how you get roe v wade overturned. the mental disease 'its never enough' clown world where they shove our faces in dog shite and want more more more MORE abortion rights extended into the 3rd trimester and then tell us its ok to abort a baby even after its born...this is what you retarded monkeys get.

EAT shite. you are the ones who put women's health in jeopardy, not the sane americans.

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Liberals also spread themselves much too thin. Everything is a problem that needs to be fixed. Racism, Sexism, Environmentalism.

I was talking with a co-worker and we came to the agreement that in general, people need a purpose. Most of the far left loons have never had to really struggle in life, so they seek out the most obnoxious causes and marches to get behind. Everything has to be a "world changing" agenda.

I really want to sit some of these kids down and talk to them. Explain to them that the world cannot be changed overnight. I think a lot of them have good hearts but those hearts are naive and easily swayed into opinion by the media constantly telling them that we only have 1 year to live if we don't fix things, blacks are still slaves, trans people are being murdered at alarming rates, etc.... In reality most of these liberal thinkers have never met a racist/bigot in their life because despite the mainstream media telling them different, they don't really exist in the numbers that they are being told.

If the LGBT community makes up like 1% of the population, then I'd be willing to bet that the racist/bigot community also makes up about 1%.



I know its a wall of text and a bunch of rambling, but at the end of the day the liberals in power positions know what they are doing by creating a sense of chaos... It keeps them in power and they make sure to never actually change anything because that would mean that they don't need to be in power any more.

Climate, LGBT Rights, Abortion Rights, Systemic Racism, wealth gaps... all buzz words to tug at the heart strings of a group of people who have never actually had a real problem in their life. It's why at the end of the day they go home, lie in bed, pull out their $1000 phones and watch TikTok creators who will tell them all the things they want to hear while simultaneously putting heart emojis on every post of their fav instagram influencers.

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Very simply put, it's about control, baw.

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its 100% bullshite.

i agree and argue leaving everyone the frick ALONE would have resulted in far more corporations, local businesses and individuals cleaning up our environment than holding a fricking gun to our heads and forcing shite down our throats.

but then again, the Leftists know this. ITS ALWAYS BEEN ABOUT CONTROL.




frick PROGRESSIVE FOR GASLIGHTING THE WORLD THAT CONSERVATIVES DON'T CARE ABOUT THE ENVIRONMENT.

just frick them all to hell.

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I know its a wall of text and a bunch of rambling, but at the end of the day the liberals in power positions know what they are doing by creating a sense of chaos...

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muh LOVE CANAL

i have ZERO issue with common sense environmental laws. nobody wants people pouring used engine oil into ditches.

but they always go too far.

always.

because a little power is never good enough.

The solution to calming this issue the frick down is simply for the government to limit its efforts to protecting wetlands and other carbon reducing tracts of land (maintaining parklands, giving tax dollar to states for such areas) and let the market handle the rest.

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The "climate change" bullshite that the left preaches is nothing more than a Marxist grift designed to take more of your money and freedoms away.

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They actually created it just to piss off the right and make them so angry they'd never go into a library ever again, leaving more room for the leftists to stretch out and study CRT and the like.

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I'd like to better understand the conservative viewpoints on the personal, governmental, and corporate roles as stewards of the environment and natural resources.

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I think the core conservative "conservationist" recognizes that we should protect and utilize the natural environment for our own benefit and the benefit of our descendants. The Boy Scouts used to be a major piece of the conservative conservationist infrastructure. Hell, once upon a time, the Sierra Club was a center-right organization before it was infected and converted into a Neo-Marxist organization with more in common with Earth First than the Boy Scouts (of prior generations at least).

The left's approach has, in my mind, always been "anti" human. Humans are "the problem" (and to be fair, there is some truth to this - human beings with no regard for the natural environment, from litterers on up are part of the problem). They also want to leave the natural environment untouched and unutilized, which begs the question, "What's the point?" An unmanaged forest is a wildfire risk (Hello? California? Are you listening?).

Protecting the environment for protecting the environment's sake is virtue signaling with no ROI. We should endeavor to reduce eliminate pollution* for our own sake and the sake of our descendants, period. We should not do so at such prohibitive cost that millions will starve, millions will freeze, millions will be put out of work to strive for unrealistic and arbitrary goals of reductions of things that are (and are not) pollutants.

The left has elevated environmentalism to the status of quasi-religion. By extension, the AGW/CC alarmism is a byproduct of that quasi-religious fervor.

*CO2 is NOT a pollutant. It is a trace atmospheric gas REQUIRED for life as we know it to exist on this planet. If anything, a little too little CO2 would be a much bigger problem than a little too much.

stop air and water pollution. It is simple.

Conservative environmentalism focuses on a few tenants:
Preservation of wild spaces as a resource
Protecting the big and cuddly endangered species (i.e. not debatable subspecies of river snails)
Responsible forest management to prevent large-scale wildfires
Regulated and sustainable hunting as a means of funding and encouraging conservation (i.e. treating wildlife as a resource)
Sustainability in a traditional sense (so that a resource is renewable and inexhaustible and processes are efficient) rather than a climate change sense.
Recycling waste materials in order to create more value in a supply chain. The ideal recycling “scheme” finds a profitable use of an exhausted product or by-product thay would otherwise have to be expensively disposed of.
Creating metrics for clean air and clean water that allow for actual improvements in public health while still allowing heavy industries to feasibly and profitably function.

The difference between conservative and progressive conservation is real world interaction and experience. Progressive conservation is people completely divorced from a problem making rules about it because the problem is a moral quandary. In their minds, man is the problem, and he must be contained or destroyed. Conservative conservation is all about having practical experience to identify issues in processes and apply workable solutions. In conservative conservation, man is a problem-solved when it comes to manmade issues. The idea is that nature serves man, but that without proper stewardship, becomes an exhaustible resource rather than an endlessly renewable one. Because man isn’t seen as an evil to be purged, conservatives try to work within the framework to figure out what works and maximize results. Progressives hate man and seek to use regulations as punitive measures to stop evil corporations and atone for their sins against the earth. Every environmental policy is all or nothing to a progressive because everything is a life or death struggle against a phantom boogieman. Conservative conservation is all about managing tradeoffs to find solutions with the most upside. It’s just two different philosophies trying to achieve similar ends via vastly different means.

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The left's approach has, in my mind, always been "anti" human. Humans are "the problem" (and to be fair, there is some truth to this - human beings with no regard for the natural environment, from litterers on up are part of the problem). They also want to leave the natural environment untouched and unutilized, which begs the question, "What's the point?" An unmanaged forest is a wildfire risk (Hello? California? Are you listening?).

Protecting the environment for protecting the environment's sake is virtue signaling with no ROI. We should endeavor to reduce eliminate pollution* for our own sake and the sake of our descendants, period. We should not do so at such prohibitive cost that millions will starve, millions will freeze, millions will be put out of work to strive for unrealistic and arbitrary goals of reductions of things that are (and are not) pollutants.

The left has elevated environmentalism to the status of quasi-religion. By extension, the AGW/CC alarmism is a byproduct of that quasi-religious fervor.

*CO2 is NOT a pollutant. It is a trace atmospheric gas REQUIRED for life as we know it to exist on this planet. If anything, a little too little CO2 would be a much bigger problem than a little too much.

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