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re: Congratulations To Matt Gaetz, He Played This One Masterfully
Posted on 10/25/23 at 7:20 pm to davyjones
Posted on 10/25/23 at 7:20 pm to davyjones
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try to find middle ground between the “factions” enough to be able to effectively use their majority in the House.
How was that happening with McCarthy? The reason McCarthy had to go is he kept his promises to the Dems while crapping on conservatives in his own party.
He was essentially siding with the swamp at every turn, which is bad news for citizens.
I hope Johnson can at least try to get a budget passed and begin reining in the out of control spending. It would also be nice if he can start restoring the rule of law in DC by holding DOJ, IRS, and other department accountable for what they're doing to us.
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Posted on 10/25/23 at 7:21 pm to davyjones
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The factions and division has not gone anywhere, and if anything is worse. Thus, and this is only my opinion of course, but for Republicans it’s a net loss. And I say that with the thought in mind that the most important thing for Republicans right now is to put themselves in the best possible position to win 2024 elections. I believe the opposite has happened.
At least McCarthy could make it rain with the donors. This guy isn't known as a fundraiser, really has no track record we can judge him on, isn't the deal maker McCarthy is, and he left the rule in place that he could be bounced basically on whim.
So what is the big win here?
Posted on 10/25/23 at 7:22 pm to davyjones
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davyjones
Posted on 10/25/23 at 7:24 pm to LuckyTiger
Some guys just win and don’t know how to do anything else.
He seems to have that knack.
He seems to have that knack.
Posted on 10/25/23 at 7:26 pm to davyjones
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I disagree. I think it’s a net epic fail for him. Sure, he set out to get rid of McCarthy and achieved that “goal,” but what’s the net gain for Republicans versus net loss? The Speaker’s role remains the same, not to represent one “faction” or the other in the House Republican majority, but instead to try to find middle ground between the “factions” enough to be able to effectively use their majority in the House. The factions and division has not gone anywhere, and if anything is worse. Thus, and this is only my opinion of course, but for Republicans it’s a net loss. And I say that with the thought in mind that the most important thing for Republicans right now is to put themselves in the best possible position to win 2024 elections. I believe the opposite has happened.
You gave an honest, thoughtful response. I’m having a bit of fun here. I think Gaetz took a chance and rolled the dice with a lot at stake. I think it was bold, dangerous, you certainly could argue foolish…but it worked out in the end. I don’t think Republicans are in any worse shape than they were and they may be in better shape. This was an upper cut to the GOPe, they fought back, there was a compromise and a fresh face is in place.
This is just one of many little steps that will have to be taken to make the Republicans a better group. Not all of them will work out but they must be taken. The movement must continue.
Posted on 10/25/23 at 7:27 pm to weptiger
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The goal wasn’t to replace McCarthy with another McCarthy. It’s too early to say if Johnson will reduce the camps within the house, but his introduction was a positive start. The republicans were going absolutely nowhere with Kevin McCarthy, which had to go. Take the immediate win.
I appreciate the thoughtful response. I think you point out a very important aspect, which is that what people (us) perceive the goals to be, both short term and long term, can widely vary - even if and when the same people are more or less moving in the same direction.
Posted on 10/25/23 at 7:29 pm to 14&Counting
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So what is the big win here?
I’m going to wait and see before I join in with the premature victory chants.
Posted on 10/25/23 at 7:31 pm to LuckyTiger
I’ve always appreciated your work, Lucky. No exception in this case, regardless whether we diverge in opinion here and there.
Posted on 10/25/23 at 7:38 pm to LuckyTiger
Posted on 10/25/23 at 7:39 pm to davyjones
Thanks cheers mate
Posted on 10/25/23 at 7:46 pm to davyjones
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disagree. I think it’s a net epic fail for him. Sure, he set out to get rid of McCarthy and achieved that “goal,” but what’s the net gain for Republicans versus net loss? The Speaker’s role remains the same, not to represent one “faction” or the other in the House Republican majority, but instead to try to find middle ground between the “factions” enough to be able to effectively use their majority in the House.
The factions and division has not gone anywhere, and if anything is worse. Thus, and this is only my opinion of course, but for Republicans it’s a net loss. And I say that with the thought in mind that the most important thing for Republicans right now is to put themselves in the best possible position to win 2024 elections. I believe the opposite has happened.
My first instinct was to laugh at this.
But I think it makes sense from the perspective of a RINO type Republican. It feels like a loss to you because it is.
Not only did leadership lose its power, it was exposed. There was a report that even Scalise had seen the light. The entire conference knows where the power is and they seem WAY more aligned than they were 3 weeks ago.
Sure, the Republican majority is small. The lack of power that comes with that hasn’t changed.
For people like me who want the Republican Party to be a certain thing it hasn’t been in a long time, it was a HUGE win. Gaetz said it best that they can finally be an opposition party.
Posted on 10/25/23 at 7:51 pm to moneyg
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But I think it makes sense from the perspective of a RINO type Republican. It feels like a loss to you because it is.
He's probably spent more bandwidth defending Trump than you have. Someone disagrees with you on one single topic and they're automatically a RINO.
Posted on 10/25/23 at 7:51 pm to LuckyTiger
quote:such a dangerous, hateful idiot.
Matt Gaetz,
Posted on 10/26/23 at 4:54 am to davyjones
Posted on 10/26/23 at 4:55 am to davyjones
That’s all those paragraphs are worth.
Posted on 10/26/23 at 4:56 am to davyjones
We’re laughing at you, not mad at you.
Posted on 10/26/23 at 4:59 am to TigerOnTheMountain
And behind the scenes Eye Patch McCain and the GOPe is scheming to knife him.
Posted on 10/26/23 at 6:51 am to LuckyTiger
I don’t agree. His actions caused the other republicans to weaken the Republican Party. He should have stood his ground when electing the speaker the first go-round. Now, the party is at odds and an embarrassment.
Posted on 10/26/23 at 8:28 am to SixthAndBarone
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I don’t agree. His actions caused the other republicans to weaken the Republican Party. He should have stood his ground when electing the speaker the first go-round. Now, the party is at odds and an embarrassment.
It's a little laughable to say he handled it "masterfully", but he dug in and kept altering the plan until he got a good result. Maybe a great result; time will tell.
As for the party being fractured, that was already the case. This exposed it a bit but this country has the attention span of a toddler.
Posted on 10/26/23 at 9:09 am to Flats
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It's a little laughable to say he handled it "masterfully"
Like I admitted to Davy…I’m having a bit of harmless fun here.
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