re: Comparing Zellensky to Churchill is the biggest farcical analogy in Modern History

You can always tell when the night shift losers show up.

Time to get off this app

I know nothing about the man to be honest so I can’t tell you if he is a good guy or not. Don’t dismiss him and judge him as a leader just because he was a comedian or actor. May I remind you Ronald Reagan was an actor also. The left and media made some of the same dismissive comments about him as you are about Zelenskyy.

It makes me nervous hearing so many people compare Zelenskyy to Churchill because I know nothing about the guy. But if you just focus on how he has lead his country since the war has started then I think you can’t give him nothing but all the credit in the world and he is similar to Churchill in that regard. He has certainly showed more leadership than any POTUS since Obama outside the 4 years of Trump. If Canada invaded up the US tomorrow I can promise you that Joe Biden isn’t going to hang around and lead US citizens the way Zelenskyy has in Ukraine at the risk of not only his life but his family also. Joe would have done bailed on us and left us to figure everything out ourselves. He would pull the same move the President of Afghanistan did.

I understand him asking for help. But he's become annoying and comes off as too damn needy. America absolutely does not need to shed one damn drop of blood for Ukraine. WTF does he want from us?

And it's bullshite for him to be addressing our political leaders.

Zelenskyy may not have been worth a damn before the invasion but to be honest I don’t think the people of Ukraine would have fought so hard and held on this long without him. Say what you want about the man but the people of Ukraine has rallied to his call.

Sometimes history works out to where you don’t get the leader you want as a society. Every now and then it works out to where you get the leader you needed for that moment. For example if Reagan has been POTUS during the Cuban Missile Crisis the world most likely ends right there in that moment. A hard liner like Reagan would have ended up in a nuclear war. At that moment in time in history we needed a JFK in charge that had a more soft tone and was more willing to negotiate.

All that being said though if JFK had been in charge in the 80’s then we most likely would still have the Soviet Union today. We needed a guy in charge that was stronger and had a more hard line world view than a guy like JFK did. To finally win the Cold War we needed a guy like Reagan that did not just want to find a way to coexist with the Soviet Union. Reagan wanted to crush the Soviet Union and did so.

So like Reagan and JFK being the right guys in charge for those moments in our history. Maybe Zelenskyy is the right guy for this moment in history for Ukraine. You could make the same comparison with Churchill and Chamberlain. Once WW2 started the UK needed Churchill in charge. Could you imagine what the world would be like today if Chamberlain had remained PM of the UK during WW2.

I don't think for a minute the people of Ukraine are fighting for/because of Zelensky.

They are fighting for Ukraine. Just like anyone that's not a dem would fight for the US even though we have Biden in the WH. There's more nationalism out there in the world than progs want to admit.


*A recent poll showed over 50% of dems would not fight for their country if invaded.

I agree with you that the people of Ukraine want to fight for the country. Of coarse they do. In times like this though people need leadership. They need a person to lead the charge. When the leader of your country is willing to stay and possibly die in defense of the country then people become more willing to do the same.

I know these 2 examples are totally different than the Ukraine situation but when both the Governments of South Vietnam and Afghanistan cut and run then the people just gave up right then. A few may have tried to make a fight of it but nowhere near enough. It would have been interesting to find out if the people of those 2 countries would have put up a better fight if they had a guy like Zelenskyy urging them on to fight. I doubt it because like I said it’s different situations culturally with the people. I don’t think the people of South Vietnam or Afghanistan felt a love or pride in their countries like the Ukrainian people have in theirs. When people have strong leader though it makes a difference.

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He is a comedic actor and his entire cabinet is in the entertainment industry, writers, directors, actors, etc.

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That is not true!

First off, he has no cabinet. He is head of state. The Prime Minister runs the cabinet, like such a person does in all countries with a head of state and head of government being two different people (for example, UK, Germany, Japan, Canada and even Russia)

The Prime Minister - Denys Shmyal is an economist
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Deputy Prime Minister - Also minister of Economics - Economist, degree in Trade and Antimonopoly studies
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Funny how in America people say "we need to have economists in charge, guys like Trump (and before him Ross Perot and Lee Iacocca) - need to run things like a business damnit!

Well guess what - that is what Ukraine was doing before the Russian Bear showed his fangs.

Vice Prime Minister - Minister of Europe - International Affairs Graduate

Vice Prime Minister - Engineer - In Charge of Industry as well.

Minster of IT - IT guy, Politician, Probably the most western of all the ministers, if in America would probably be a millionaire in Silicon Alley

Minister of Regions - University degree in International Studies and Communications

Minister of Interior (in US terms Attorney General) - Systems Engineer, Banker

Foreign Minister - Diplomat turned cabinet official.

Veterans Affairs - Currently filled by interim minister, see above.

Treasury Secretary - Masters Degree in Finance

Transportation/Infrastructure - Economics degree, formerly senior civil servant in this same ministry

Welfare Minister - Economist

Minister of Health - Doctor

Minister of Defense - Lawyer, retired Air Force Veteran

Minister of Justic - Lawyer

There are others but I think we cleary see that the assertiona that his entire cabinet is "writers, directors, and actors" is another Russian bit of propoganda that people have fallen for. Don't listen to Russian lies please!

Wikipedia -
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Churchill would of hauled his old arse out of Kyiv from the start. Zellensky has huge balls of steel.

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Churchill went to South Africa as a war correspondent during the Boer War… was captured and spent time in a POW camp… he also went to Flanders and served during WW1 after he fricked up galepoli.

Churchill fricking loved war… he was crazy about it. He’d love this shite today in Ukraine.

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he is a smart guy.

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Agreed.

Smart and very skilled in the art of persuasion.

Excellent salesmanship. Half the world is eating out of his hand.

Watching the congress give him a standing ovation was sickening. I hate everyone and everything in DC.