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re: Colonial Pipeline Ransom In The $100’s of billions.

Posted on 5/8/21 at 10:04 pm to
Posted by RealDawg
Dawgville
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Posted on 5/8/21 at 10:04 pm to
Busy trying to find bear spray killers.
Posted by GumboPot
Member since Mar 2009
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Posted on 5/8/21 at 10:05 pm to
I hope people realize these pipelines can be operated manually, right?
Posted by Tiguar
Montana
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Posted on 5/8/21 at 10:06 pm to
How’s that working out for us?
Posted by Catchfalaya
Member since Feb 2018
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Posted on 5/8/21 at 10:07 pm to
Sure but they did it to save millions on labor. They could probably run them manually but it’s going to take a month or two of training to make it functional
Posted by auggie
Opelika, Alabama
Member since Aug 2013
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Posted on 5/8/21 at 10:10 pm to
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Sure but they did it to save millions on labor. They could probably run them manually but it’s going to take a month or two of training to make it functional

There happen to be a lot of guys out of work right now, who know a bit about pipelines, and this may be a good lesson about why we need another pipeline.
Posted by GumboPot
Member since Mar 2009
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Posted on 5/8/21 at 10:12 pm to
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i would be shocked if there was not analog control systems




I know for a fact there these pipelines can be operated manually. IDK what this hack entails but it’s not like this pipeline system is that complex. And when I say operate manually I mean an operator going into the field and flipping a switch on a valve actuator as opposed to controlling the system by SCADA in Colonial Pipeline control room in Alpharetta Georgia.
Posted by dafif
Member since Jan 2019
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Posted on 5/8/21 at 10:15 pm to
I’m sure the fbi is on it just after they serve another fisa/fara warrant on rudi
Posted by GumboPot
Member since Mar 2009
118778 posts
Posted on 5/8/21 at 10:16 pm to
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Sure but they did it to save millions on labor. They could probably run them manually but it’s going to take a month or two of training to make it functional



All hands are on deck to fix this problem. People that serve other functions for the company will be moved to assist with operations until the problem is fixed.
Posted by GumboPot
Member since Mar 2009
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Posted on 5/8/21 at 10:17 pm to
I have no faith in the FBI.
Posted by diat150
Louisiana
Member since Jun 2005
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Posted on 5/8/21 at 10:18 pm to
The issue will be will the government allow them to flow in that manner. On top of that the company will likely have protocols in place that have to be followed like we ain’t flowing the pipeline without scada monitoring. A company this large isn’t gonna risk having a huge PR blunder on top of this very large issue. More than likely the PLC’s and flow computers used aren’t affected by this attack, but all of the communications infrastructure and servers running the scada softwares are all
Out of commission.

With the right people and all hands on deck no doubt they could get a working system in place within a week or two. Of course you go back to protocol and standards and moc’s.
This post was edited on 5/8/21 at 10:22 pm
Posted by GumboPot
Member since Mar 2009
118778 posts
Posted on 5/8/21 at 10:27 pm to
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I’d imagine the computers allowed the pipeline to become more complex possibly allow a higher volume usage with the automation.



The “automation” allows the pipeline operator to monitor and control the valves remotely. Colonial sends different products down the line like gasoline, diesel, jet fuel, etc. The valves open and close based on an inline gravity measurement so the gasoline goes into the gasoline tanks, diesel in the diesel tanks, etc. There is some mixing that takes place and that product gets stored in the transmix tanks. The transmix gets blended in with the diesel as long as the diesel still meets spec.
Posted by Catchfalaya
Member since Feb 2018
1921 posts
Posted on 5/8/21 at 10:29 pm to
Unless the Hackers still have access to some critical parts of the pipeline, and can cause physical damage.
Posted by diat150
Louisiana
Member since Jun 2005
43552 posts
Posted on 5/8/21 at 10:31 pm to
You work in automation or operations? Lmao
Posted by GumboPot
Member since Mar 2009
118778 posts
Posted on 5/8/21 at 10:31 pm to
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The issue will be will the government allow them to flow in that manner.


You are right. Compliance is an issue. They will likely have to get an emergency waiver from PHMSA to continue operating while this hack is resolved.
Posted by Captain_Awesome06
Nashville, TN
Member since Aug 2013
820 posts
Posted on 5/8/21 at 10:32 pm to
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There happen to be a lot of guys out of work right now, who know a bit about pipelines, and this may be a good lesson about why we need another pipeline


That makes entirely too much sense so it won't happen.
Posted by GumboPot
Member since Mar 2009
118778 posts
Posted on 5/8/21 at 10:34 pm to
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You work in automation or operations?


I’m a pipeline engineer. I’m a little familiar with the Colonial system. I’m in consulting now.
Posted by auggie
Opelika, Alabama
Member since Aug 2013
27956 posts
Posted on 5/8/21 at 11:01 pm to
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I’m a pipeline engineer. I’m a little familiar with the Colonial system. I’m in consulting now.
Posted by Warheel
Member since Aug 2011
2059 posts
Posted on 5/8/21 at 11:07 pm to
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Sure but they did it to save millions on labor. They could probably run them manually but it’s going to take a month or two of training to make it functional


My 73 year old ex pipeliner dad about to make bank
This post was edited on 5/8/21 at 11:07 pm
Posted by hottub
Member since Dec 2012
3333 posts
Posted on 5/8/21 at 11:09 pm to
But Andrew Yang told me that we need UBI because automation will replace all of us. How many people can be employed to turn valves and back up technology for $100’s of billions?
This post was edited on 5/8/21 at 11:10 pm
Posted by Auburn80
Backwater, TN
Member since Nov 2017
7506 posts
Posted on 5/8/21 at 11:10 pm to
The US blew up a Russian pipeline in the 1980’s by putting in a software bug. Don’t doubt Russia would do this since Biden went after Putin.
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