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re: Cohen claims Trump instructed him to lie to congress
Posted on 1/17/19 at 10:43 pm to GumboPot
Posted on 1/17/19 at 10:43 pm to GumboPot
quote:Well according to the article there is a paper trail. If it is just Cohen’s word though, then it’s a he said, he said. And since both are not known for their honesty, Trump would win given the burden of proof.
that will become a he said he said
Posted on 1/17/19 at 10:44 pm to MTurbo
quote:
Flynn speaking to Russian Ambassador Sergei Kislyak about lifting sanctions
Mb wasn't in the dossier ...and happened almost a year after the dossier was written.
Why are you a liar?
Posted on 1/17/19 at 10:45 pm to udtiger
quote:
It won't be.
That's why I framed it as a hypothetical question only
Posted on 1/17/19 at 10:46 pm to Powerman
If we are not concerned with the legality then why have an investigation?
We investigate people instead of crimes? Is that the way it works in America now?
We investigate people instead of crimes? Is that the way it works in America now?
Posted on 1/17/19 at 10:46 pm to rds dc
quote:I don’t get your point. Lying to Congress would have nothing to do with whether he colluded or not, since the Russia couldn’t “collude” to help that. And besides couldn’t Cohen’s role in the dealing be as a “colluder?”
This story also blows the Collusion Theory out of the water (once again). Why would Trump be directing Cohen to try and setup a meeting with Putin for a biz deal in Russia, why would Trump then instruct Cohen to lie to Congress about it, and then why would the Trump Origination document all of this, if they were Colluding with Russia? Wouldn't they use their "collusion" to take care of all of this?
Posted on 1/17/19 at 10:47 pm to buckeye_vol
quote:
I don’t get your point. Lying to Congress would have nothing to do with whether he colluded or not, since the Russia couldn’t “collude” to help that. And besides couldn’t Cohen’s role in the dealing be as a “colluder?”
You obviously didn't read the article. Outside of lying to Congress there are other points that they are claiming that make no sense, if Trump was colluding with Russia.
Posted on 1/17/19 at 10:47 pm to GumboPot
quote:
If we are not concerned with the legality then why have an investigation?
I'm not talking about the investigation here
I'm talking about your personal views on the matter
Hypothetically speaking - if it is proven that Trump asked Cohen to lie to congress would that matter to you at all? Not legally. Would that change your opinion of Trump?
Posted on 1/17/19 at 10:49 pm to Powerman
quote:
I'm talking about your personal views on the matter
Hypothetically speaking - if it is proven that Trump asked Cohen to lie to congress would that matter to you at all? Not legally. Would that change your opinion of Trump?
Yes.
Posted on 1/17/19 at 10:51 pm to rds dc
quote:
This story also blows the Collusion Theory out of the water (once again). Why would Trump be directing Cohen to try and setup a meeting with Putin for a biz deal in Russia, why would Trump then instruct Cohen to lie to Congress about it, and then why would the Trump Origination document all of this, if they were Colluding with Russia? Wouldn't they use their "collusion" to take care of all of this?
Whoa now, that's waaaaay too logical.
You have to remember, Trump is simultaneously an evil super-genius AND a sloppy idiot in their minds.
Posted on 1/17/19 at 10:51 pm to Lsujacket66
Holy shite the NPCbots are out hard tonight.
Posted on 1/17/19 at 10:52 pm to buckeye_vol
quote:
that will become a he said he said
Well according to the article there is a paper trail. If it is just Cohen’s word though, then it’s a he said, he said. And since both are not known for their honesty, Trump would win given the burden of proof.
This is where I think buzzfeed or it’s sources are being tricky... they’re saying they have trump org emails and texts... but trump doesn’t email or text. I think most likely these are communications about Trump tower Russia, but not about trump telling Cohen to lie
Posted on 1/17/19 at 10:53 pm to dawgfan24348
I want the die hard trump supporters to go on record here. If they have stone cold, irrefutable proof that Trump told Cohen to lie to congress will you think it’s a big deal.
Btw. His AG choice was asked a question very specific to this situation and I don’t think you’ll like his answer.
Btw. His AG choice was asked a question very specific to this situation and I don’t think you’ll like his answer.
Posted on 1/17/19 at 10:53 pm to GumboPot
quote:William Barr’s Memo on Mueller Investigation
If we are not concerned with the legality then why have an investigation?
quote:
If a President knowingly destroys or alters evidence, suborns perjury, or induces a witness to change testimony, or commits any act deliberately impairing the integrity of available evidence, then he, like anyone else, commits the crime of obstruction.
Posted on 1/17/19 at 10:55 pm to Lsujacket66
If this is the Buzzfead article, it’s garbage
Posted on 1/17/19 at 10:56 pm to rds dc
quote:I read the article, but I must be missing the details you’re referring. What points are you referring to exactly? Maybe a quote or something?
You obviously didn't read the article. Outside of lying to Congress there are other points that they are claiming that make no sense, if Trump was colluding with Russia.
Posted on 1/17/19 at 10:58 pm to Haughton99
I'll go on record that the writer of the article is garbage
Posted on 1/17/19 at 11:01 pm to mtheob17
When is google going to shadow ban this garbage?
Posted on 1/17/19 at 11:04 pm to YogaPants
quote:
I'll go on record that the writer of the article is garbage
I knew every Trump supporter would attack the messenger. That’s been the norm from day one. I just want an answer. Do you think it’s ok for a President to direct a witness to commit perjury.
The article claims the SC has corroborating evidence and Cohen liked to record conversations with Trump.
This post was edited on 1/17/19 at 11:05 pm
Posted on 1/17/19 at 11:05 pm to Haughton99
quote:
I want the die hard trump supporters to go on record here. If they have stone cold, irrefutable proof that Trump told Cohen to lie to congress will you think it’s a big deal.
I absolutely will think its a big deal, IF it is one.
If its some shitty attempt at a "gotcha" or is largely fake, like has happened numerous times in the past and fizzled out, I'll call that out too. This is where I'm leaning, and frankly the Dems should be too. How many times have Dems and anti-Trumpers been burned by stories like this falling apart? They get their hopes up every time only to see it get completely destroyed a little later.
At this point, with the media's (especially Buzzfeed's) reputation, it's probably best to not assume any of this is actually a 'thing' and wait for supporting evidence.
Posted on 1/17/19 at 11:05 pm to MTurbo
[quote]It also hasn't been proven false that you rape little boys...
I heard the same rumors about MTurbo. I didn't think it was real at first, then heard that the M stood for molestation. While I don't know for sure if this is correct or true it does paint a really bad picture and we should warn young kids to stay away from MTurbo just to be safe. If it saves/helps one kid it is worth it.
I heard the same rumors about MTurbo. I didn't think it was real at first, then heard that the M stood for molestation. While I don't know for sure if this is correct or true it does paint a really bad picture and we should warn young kids to stay away from MTurbo just to be safe. If it saves/helps one kid it is worth it.
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