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re: Cohen claims Trump instructed him to lie to congress

Posted on 1/17/19 at 10:43 pm to
Posted by buckeye_vol
Member since Jul 2014
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Posted on 1/17/19 at 10:43 pm to
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that will become a he said he said
Well according to the article there is a paper trail. If it is just Cohen’s word though, then it’s a he said, he said. And since both are not known for their honesty, Trump would win given the burden of proof.
Posted by CptBengal
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Member since Dec 2007
71661 posts
Posted on 1/17/19 at 10:44 pm to
quote:

Flynn speaking to Russian Ambassador Sergei Kislyak about lifting sanctions

Mb wasn't in the dossier ...and happened almost a year after the dossier was written.

Why are you a liar?
Posted by Powerman
Member since Jan 2004
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Posted on 1/17/19 at 10:45 pm to
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It won't be.


That's why I framed it as a hypothetical question only
Posted by GumboPot
Member since Mar 2009
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Posted on 1/17/19 at 10:46 pm to
If we are not concerned with the legality then why have an investigation?

We investigate people instead of crimes? Is that the way it works in America now?
Posted by buckeye_vol
Member since Jul 2014
35236 posts
Posted on 1/17/19 at 10:46 pm to
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This story also blows the Collusion Theory out of the water (once again). Why would Trump be directing Cohen to try and setup a meeting with Putin for a biz deal in Russia, why would Trump then instruct Cohen to lie to Congress about it, and then why would the Trump Origination document all of this, if they were Colluding with Russia? Wouldn't they use their "collusion" to take care of all of this?
I don’t get your point. Lying to Congress would have nothing to do with whether he colluded or not, since the Russia couldn’t “collude” to help that. And besides couldn’t Cohen’s role in the dealing be as a “colluder?”
Posted by rds dc
Member since Jun 2008
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Posted on 1/17/19 at 10:47 pm to
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I don’t get your point. Lying to Congress would have nothing to do with whether he colluded or not, since the Russia couldn’t “collude” to help that. And besides couldn’t Cohen’s role in the dealing be as a “colluder?”


You obviously didn't read the article. Outside of lying to Congress there are other points that they are claiming that make no sense, if Trump was colluding with Russia.
Posted by Powerman
Member since Jan 2004
162213 posts
Posted on 1/17/19 at 10:47 pm to
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If we are not concerned with the legality then why have an investigation?

I'm not talking about the investigation here

I'm talking about your personal views on the matter

Hypothetically speaking - if it is proven that Trump asked Cohen to lie to congress would that matter to you at all? Not legally. Would that change your opinion of Trump?
Posted by GumboPot
Member since Mar 2009
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Posted on 1/17/19 at 10:49 pm to
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I'm talking about your personal views on the matter

Hypothetically speaking - if it is proven that Trump asked Cohen to lie to congress would that matter to you at all? Not legally. Would that change your opinion of Trump?


Yes.
Posted by RazorBroncs
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Member since Sep 2013
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Posted on 1/17/19 at 10:51 pm to
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This story also blows the Collusion Theory out of the water (once again). Why would Trump be directing Cohen to try and setup a meeting with Putin for a biz deal in Russia, why would Trump then instruct Cohen to lie to Congress about it, and then why would the Trump Origination document all of this, if they were Colluding with Russia? Wouldn't they use their "collusion" to take care of all of this?


Whoa now, that's waaaaay too logical.

You have to remember, Trump is simultaneously an evil super-genius AND a sloppy idiot in their minds.
Posted by IllegalPete
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Member since Oct 2017
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Posted on 1/17/19 at 10:51 pm to
Holy shite the NPCbots are out hard tonight.



Posted by Lsujacket66
Member since Dec 2010
4792 posts
Posted on 1/17/19 at 10:52 pm to
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that will become a he said he said
Well according to the article there is a paper trail. If it is just Cohen’s word though, then it’s a he said, he said. And since both are not known for their honesty, Trump would win given the burden of proof.




This is where I think buzzfeed or it’s sources are being tricky... they’re saying they have trump org emails and texts... but trump doesn’t email or text. I think most likely these are communications about Trump tower Russia, but not about trump telling Cohen to lie
Posted by Haughton99
Haughton
Member since Feb 2009
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Posted on 1/17/19 at 10:53 pm to
I want the die hard trump supporters to go on record here. If they have stone cold, irrefutable proof that Trump told Cohen to lie to congress will you think it’s a big deal.

Btw. His AG choice was asked a question very specific to this situation and I don’t think you’ll like his answer.
Posted by buckeye_vol
Member since Jul 2014
35236 posts
Posted on 1/17/19 at 10:53 pm to
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If we are not concerned with the legality then why have an investigation?
William Barr’s Memo on Mueller Investigation
quote:

If a President knowingly destroys or alters evidence, suborns perjury, or induces a witness to change testimony, or commits any act deliberately impairing the integrity of available evidence, then he, like anyone else, commits the crime of obstruction.
Posted by mtheob17
Charleston, SC
Member since Sep 2009
5331 posts
Posted on 1/17/19 at 10:55 pm to
If this is the Buzzfead article, it’s garbage
Posted by buckeye_vol
Member since Jul 2014
35236 posts
Posted on 1/17/19 at 10:56 pm to
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You obviously didn't read the article. Outside of lying to Congress there are other points that they are claiming that make no sense, if Trump was colluding with Russia.

I read the article, but I must be missing the details you’re referring. What points are you referring to exactly? Maybe a quote or something?
Posted by YogaPants
Baton Rouge
Member since Aug 2008
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Posted on 1/17/19 at 10:58 pm to
I'll go on record that the writer of the article is garbage
Posted by Y.A. Tittle
Member since Sep 2003
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Posted on 1/17/19 at 11:01 pm to
When is google going to shadow ban this garbage?
Posted by Haughton99
Haughton
Member since Feb 2009
6124 posts
Posted on 1/17/19 at 11:04 pm to
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I'll go on record that the writer of the article is garbage


I knew every Trump supporter would attack the messenger. That’s been the norm from day one. I just want an answer. Do you think it’s ok for a President to direct a witness to commit perjury.

The article claims the SC has corroborating evidence and Cohen liked to record conversations with Trump.
This post was edited on 1/17/19 at 11:05 pm
Posted by RazorBroncs
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Member since Sep 2013
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Posted on 1/17/19 at 11:05 pm to
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I want the die hard trump supporters to go on record here. If they have stone cold, irrefutable proof that Trump told Cohen to lie to congress will you think it’s a big deal. 



I absolutely will think its a big deal, IF it is one.

If its some shitty attempt at a "gotcha" or is largely fake, like has happened numerous times in the past and fizzled out, I'll call that out too. This is where I'm leaning, and frankly the Dems should be too. How many times have Dems and anti-Trumpers been burned by stories like this falling apart? They get their hopes up every time only to see it get completely destroyed a little later.

At this point, with the media's (especially Buzzfeed's) reputation, it's probably best to not assume any of this is actually a 'thing' and wait for supporting evidence.
Posted by Geaux-2-L-O-Miss
Between Your Ears
Member since Aug 2005
3425 posts
Posted on 1/17/19 at 11:05 pm to
[quote]It also hasn't been proven false that you rape little boys...


I heard the same rumors about MTurbo. I didn't think it was real at first, then heard that the M stood for molestation. While I don't know for sure if this is correct or true it does paint a really bad picture and we should warn young kids to stay away from MTurbo just to be safe. If it saves/helps one kid it is worth it.
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