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re: Cocaine Inflation Erupts After U.S. Strikes On Caribbean Drug Boats

Posted on 12/2/25 at 7:55 am to
Posted by KiwiHead
Auckland, NZ
Member since Jul 2014
37614 posts
Posted on 12/2/25 at 7:55 am to
Could also be that the suppliers tell the distributors to lay off on the cut because too many dead customers are bad for business. Reduce the level of heat. Although the cut is done stateside on the retailer level.
Posted by lsu777
Lake Charles
Member since Jan 2004
38079 posts
Posted on 12/2/25 at 7:56 am to
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Only under the most extreme interpretation of the WOT statutes, and the WOT statutes alone are terrible.



so was I, but that is not what I said. I said they have the right to do so. Not that the overall laws arent terrible

and frankly they arent that terrible outside the country in a vacuum, its the abuse of them to enrich the defense industry that makes them bad which is not happening here

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I've been against the WOD and WOT for 20 years on here without change.

Others have rotated between being for/against the 2 over that 20 years. In Trump admin 1, we were against the WOT and largely against the WOD. In Trump 2 there has been a 180.

This policy is combining the two into a Frankenstein's monster of government expansion.


I am against both but the cartels have become a huge issue and frankly it is terrorism.

sure you are correct that the bigger problem is demand rather than supply but in the end, the cartels have been acting like a terror org, period

and on top of that.....that has nothing to fricking do with what i said and why i said you were being a douche

at this point, drugs are illegal, period. The federal gov has the right to stop the flow and has the right to stop terrorism orgs from making money. This is that


you can bitch about the laws if you want. My main problem is the surveillance of US citizens and the abuse in this country and the use of these statues to enrich their friends in the MIC. this is not the case here


frick if being honest, this is one of the most legit uses of those statues and if they go after the cartels in Mexico...it would be too.
Posted by SlowFlowPro
With populists, expect populism
Member since Jan 2004
477232 posts
Posted on 12/2/25 at 7:57 am to
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Seeing it's 99% of Democrats and Rand Paul so vehemently opposed, I would say it spot on framing.


Being opposed to the government expansion with the WOT and WOD is a traditionally libertarian position. One that I've held for 20 years on here.

Only a retard would call me a leftist. I'm one of the few remaining capitalism proponents on here, rejecting the leftist economics of MAGA's right-populism.
Posted by thermal9221
Youngsville
Member since Feb 2005
15118 posts
Posted on 12/2/25 at 7:57 am to
As much blow that flows into the united states i find it hard to believe that a couple of strikes to boats cause a surge of 45% in blow prices.
THIS IS PRICE GOUGING AND SHOULD BE REPORTED TO THE BETTER BUSINESS BUREAU ASAP!!!
Posted by BamaCoaster
God's Gulf
Member since Apr 2016
7063 posts
Posted on 12/2/25 at 8:00 am to
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people didn't OD on cocaine before fentanyl was a thing.


Not nearly as many as you would imagine.
Despite Len Bias OD and the media frenzy over it, the vast, overwhelming majority of people who do/did cocaine did not die of overdosing.
Less than .1%.

Fentanyl obviously has increased those numbers, but not dramatically.
Posted by SlowFlowPro
With populists, expect populism
Member since Jan 2004
477232 posts
Posted on 12/2/25 at 8:02 am to
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I said they have the right to do so. Not that the overall laws arent terrible


Their "right" to do so is based is an extreme interpretation of those terrible laws. And it ultimately may not even be a lawful interpretation.

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they arent that terrible outside the country in a vacuum,

a. meh

b. They aren't used only outside of the country. That's the larger point. Same shite with the WOD. Ultimately that creep becomes standardized into our every day lives. Again, we learned this decades ago. I don't understand why this is such a controversial topic today. Are y'all just not thinking of how this precedent will ultimately creep into domestic policies/government action?

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but the cartels have become a huge issue

The cartels have been around for decades in effectively the same form, with some shifting in terms of violence/organization. There's a spectrum but they aren't acting in any way outside of the normal historical spectrum.

Would the world be better without cartels? Sure

Is the medicine worse than the sickness? Definitely. Again, this is a lesson we have already learned a long time ago.

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My main problem is the surveillance of US citizens and the abuse in this country and the use of these statues to enrich their friends in the MIC. this is not the case here

*yet
Posted by imjustafatkid
Alabama
Member since Dec 2011
65894 posts
Posted on 12/2/25 at 8:02 am to
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So the boats aren't taking fentanyl to the US?


I'm trying to think of why anyone would possibly care about this distinction, but for the life of me I can't think of any reason.
Posted by EphesianArmor
Member since Mar 2025
4839 posts
Posted on 12/2/25 at 8:05 am to
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Drug Enforcement Administration (DEA) Administrator Terry Cole told CBS News that President Trump's military strikes on suspected drug-running vessels in the Caribbean have helped drive a sharp increase in cocaine prices.


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quote:

"Cocaine is getting more expensive!!".... (DEA) Administrator Terry Cole told CBS News


Somewhere Nancy ("Mommy") Reagan is smiling. The "War on Drugs" is re-booted!

And of course if we're playing a real life 'Jungle Strike' game and launching missiles at drug-running boats loaded with coke, we may as well "MISSION COMPLETE!" the rest of the game stages, right?

Let's also threaten a hit on President Maduro; take over the Venezuelan coke operation ourselves, then the banks, oil operations and businesses. Well also need to install the usual puppet regime. (same plan and monopoly takeoever the shadow global overlords have executed since the Dutch and British East India Company opium days.)

Posted by the808bass
The Lou
Member since Oct 2012
128846 posts
Posted on 12/2/25 at 8:06 am to
This is like a tax on hard working Americans.

-Roger, probably
Posted by the808bass
The Lou
Member since Oct 2012
128846 posts
Posted on 12/2/25 at 8:07 am to
Cocaine isn’t nearly as dangerous as fentanyl from any perspective.
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
299716 posts
Posted on 12/2/25 at 8:07 am to
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-Roger, probably


hey, youre safe dude. they removed all the cocaine and youre no longer tempted.

Posted by stout
Porte du Lafitte
Member since Sep 2006
182541 posts
Posted on 12/2/25 at 8:08 am to
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Despite Len Bias OD and the media frenzy over it, the vast, overwhelming majority of people who do/did cocaine did not die of overdosing.
Less than .1%.


Your .1% is off and way low. Even in the 80s prior to opioids.

quote:

Low overall rates: The age-adjusted rate of drug overdose deaths involving cocaine was relatively low and stable, at approximately 1.3 to 2.5 deaths per 100,000 population between 2000 and 2013.




Two people in my circle of friends died in the early 2000s from a Cocaine OD well before fentanyl was a thing.
Posted by Drew1964
Member since Nov 2024
295 posts
Posted on 12/2/25 at 8:08 am to
Any person that defends drug dealers that are killing 100,000 Americans a year is not an American. You need to move your arse to South America and captain a drug boat
Posted by SlowFlowPro
With populists, expect populism
Member since Jan 2004
477232 posts
Posted on 12/2/25 at 8:09 am to
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I'm trying to think of why anyone would possibly care about this distinction

The literal argument for the attacks is based on fentanyl coming into the US.

Without that, we don't have a legal justification

Posted by the808bass
The Lou
Member since Oct 2012
128846 posts
Posted on 12/2/25 at 8:10 am to
I’ve never done drugs (other than alcohol) one time in my life. I have no temptation there.

Appreciate it.
Posted by SlowFlowPro
With populists, expect populism
Member since Jan 2004
477232 posts
Posted on 12/2/25 at 8:10 am to
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Any person that defends drug dealers that are killing 100,000 Americans a year is not an American.

Maybe we want to actually work on the actual problem and not fall for muh fight optics that have been proven to fail.

*ETA: while not supporting extreme government expansion and the creation of a Leviathan that destroys our rights.
This post was edited on 12/2/25 at 8:14 am
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
299716 posts
Posted on 12/2/25 at 8:10 am to
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Two people in my circle of friends died in the early 2000s from a Cocaine OD


Hint: It wasnt the fault of some dude in Venezuela. It was your own dumbass friends fault.

You pretend they are victims..They were the problem.
Posted by stout
Porte du Lafitte
Member since Sep 2006
182541 posts
Posted on 12/2/25 at 8:12 am to
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You pretend they are victims..They were the problem.


Where did I say they were victims, moron?
Posted by theCrusher
Slidell
Member since Nov 2007
1741 posts
Posted on 12/2/25 at 8:13 am to
CNN headline.

“Cocaine costs exploded under Trump and how it hurts the middle class ”.
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
299716 posts
Posted on 12/2/25 at 8:13 am to
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Where did I say they were victims, moron?


Your entire post.

Poor guys, would never have OD'd if them Venezuelans hadnt shipped drugs to Trinidad.
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