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re: CNN: First charges filed by Mueller
Posted on 10/27/17 at 8:36 pm to Giant Leaf
Posted on 10/27/17 at 8:36 pm to Giant Leaf
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You literally CANNOT BE GUILTY if you receive a pardon before trial
once again, that is of federal offenses. the president does not have the power to pardon state crimes. only federal ones. cases can be brought against criminals in multiple jurisdictions.
if the case is stacked enough against flynn or manafort badly enough for where they would need a pardon in FEDERAL COURT (as opposed to actually being innocent of the crime), would it not make sense to you that that evidence would also be enough to convict them in state court as well?
This post was edited on 10/27/17 at 8:37 pm
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Posted on 10/27/17 at 8:37 pm to LSU Fan 90812
quote:
once again, that is of federal offenses.
So like
Exactly what we are talking about
Posted on 10/27/17 at 8:37 pm to LSU Fan 90812
That’s just not true . It can be seen as a confession of guilt or it can be seen as an Executive redress of a wrongful accusation/conviction. Or it can even be a statement that while someone violated the letter of the law, they did not violate the spirit of the law or were not morally culpable ( no intent for instance).
Posted on 10/27/17 at 8:38 pm to Load Toad
They have serve up someone it will be somebody or something that is meaningless
Posted on 10/27/17 at 8:38 pm to LSU Fan 90812
You’re talking to a guy who uses the word “libtard”.
You’re going to have to spell it out for him.
You’re going to have to spell it out for him.
Posted on 10/27/17 at 8:38 pm to NIH
One thing I feel certain of..
This will not be a big name related to Trump. If so they wouldn't need a full weekend to build speculation in the MSM
A major name would be announced early in the week and not need time to build speculation
This will not be a big name related to Trump. If so they wouldn't need a full weekend to build speculation in the MSM
A major name would be announced early in the week and not need time to build speculation
Posted on 10/27/17 at 8:38 pm to Giant Leaf
Have you ever heard of double jeopardy?
Posted on 10/27/17 at 8:39 pm to Giant Leaf
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So like
Exactly what we are talking about
no. we're talking about a multi-pronged investigation between robert mueller special counsel to the attorney general of the United States (FEDERAL COURT) done in cooperation and concert with Eric Scneiderman, attorney general of new york state (STATE COURT).
this is actual rule of law. if it happens, that way you will understand it.
Posted on 10/27/17 at 8:40 pm to boosiebadazz
quote:
You’re talking to a guy who uses the word “libtard”.
You’re going to have to spell it out for him.
Spell it out for me too lol?
Posted on 10/27/17 at 8:40 pm to HailHailtoMichigan!
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Why not just wait and indict everyone after the investigation is complete?
To crank up leverage to flip them to testify against other targets.
Posted on 10/27/17 at 8:41 pm to Lsupimp
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That’s just not true . It can be seen as a confession of guilt or it can be seen as an Executive redress of a wrongful accusation/conviction. Or it can even be a statement that while someone violated the letter of the law, they did not violate the spirit of the law or were not morally culpable ( no intent for instance).
it has been true almost explicitly through the last hundred years. but fine, try to think of it in a different way.
my point about if the case is bad enough to where trump would need to pardon him for federal crimes, then why do you think the case would be weaker when brought at a state level?
Posted on 10/27/17 at 8:41 pm to thelawnwranglers
Posted on 10/27/17 at 8:41 pm to TigerDoc
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To crank up leverage to flip them to testify against other targets.
But can you get past the leverage of the pardon power of the president depending on how close they are with Trump?
Posted on 10/27/17 at 8:42 pm to texag7
quote:
This will not be a big name related to Trump.
I tend to agree.
The news cycle this week as been an avalanche of bad for democRats.
Muller probably felt pressure to do something stem the tide. Even if it is a minor player.
This post was edited on 10/27/17 at 8:49 pm
Posted on 10/27/17 at 8:44 pm to LSU Fan 90812
quote:
he president does not have the power to pardon state crimes. only federal ones
Posted on 10/27/17 at 8:45 pm to TrueTiger
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Muller probably felt pressure to do something stem the tide. Even if it is a minor player.
you know that mueller is a republican right? he was appointed by George W. Bush.
Posted on 10/27/17 at 8:45 pm to LSU Fan 90812
This hasn't been about R vs D for a long time. Not sure if you've noticed but lots of Republicans hate Trump
Posted on 10/27/17 at 8:46 pm to TigerDoc
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To crank up leverage to flip them to testify against other targets.
Starting to wonder,if this story isn't bullshite.Maybe just a way to catch a leaker?
Posted on 10/27/17 at 8:46 pm to Decatur
I'm in Vegas currently. I'll have to see if I can bet on who gets charged.
Posted on 10/27/17 at 8:46 pm to LSU Fan 90812
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you know that mueller is a republican right? he was appointed by George W. Bush.
That really doesn't mean anything.
Lots of Bush republicans have feverently opposed Trump.
Look at Doc Fention in this thread. He's a conservative that loves the hell of Bush and he's all pitchforks and torches after Trump.
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