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re: CNN: First charges filed by Mueller
Posted on 10/27/17 at 8:57 pm to LSU Fan 90812
Posted on 10/27/17 at 8:57 pm to LSU Fan 90812
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i am very aware of the difference between trump's base and the GOP's base and the overlap in between.
Actually the Trump base is actually the GOP base.
The base is just at war with the GOP party leaders and its establishment and Trump is the battle tank for that war.
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i'm just trying to figure out how and why people think Democrats are after Trump.
Democrat members of Congress have literally filed articles of impeachment this year multiple times already and the media is pressing anti trump republicans whether they support impeachment or not.
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And Republicans are after Trump.
Neoconservative and some moderate republicans. Sure.
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Posted on 10/27/17 at 8:58 pm to thelawnwranglers
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At a very simplified level by including State and Federal AG?
absolutely. this doesn't happen often that the two are working together like this. it is the result of a very wide ranging investigation, and a well coordinated legal team with a lot of foresight. it is much more likely that their coordination is in place to prevent the very pardon that Leaf was talking about.
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Synopsis though Joe was in Federal trouble -basically if it was state law there could be no pardon?
the pardon would be from the governor homey.
Posted on 10/27/17 at 8:58 pm to LSU Fan 90812
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once again, that is of federal offenses. the president does not have the power to pardon state crimes. only federal ones. cases can be brought against criminals in multiple jurisdictions. if the case is stacked enough against flynn or manafort badly enough for where they would need a pardon in FEDERAL COURT (as opposed to actually being innocent of the crime), would it not make sense to you that that evidence would also be enough to convict them in state court as well?
This is completely different from what you first said. Also, the charges in question would be very critical. Federal disclosure laws are not punishable under state statute.
Posted on 10/27/17 at 8:59 pm to Sentrius
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Actually the Trump base is actually the GOP base.
sure as hell looks like it will be from here on out.
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Democrat members of Congress have literally filed articles of impeachment this year multiple times already and the media is pressing anti trump republicans whether they support impeachment or not.
they're about a year early. 2018 is gonna be interesting.
Posted on 10/27/17 at 9:00 pm to Sid in Lakeshore
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This is completely different from what you first said. Also, the charges in question would be very critical. Federal disclosure laws are not punishable under state statute.
got to read the thread buddy. since a 1915 supreme court case, acceptance of a pardon has been wildly held to be an admission of guilt of the crime.
if Trump pardons manafort at the federal level AND the above is true, NY state's case against manafort will be a cakewalk.
Posted on 10/27/17 at 9:00 pm to LSU Fan 90812
Take a deep breath there man. Several of the charges that I have seen mentioned are NOT STATE CHARGES.
Posted on 10/27/17 at 9:00 pm to LSU Fan 90812
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manafort, flynn are probably going to be the ones indicted, if not convicted. the question is how much were they involved with trump if at all, and if so, when did trump and/pr his team know they were compromised?
i cant wait for it to be Tony Podesta Posted on 10/27/17 at 9:00 pm to Decatur
nuttin to see here! trump wins! 
i'm soooo tired of winning!
i'm soooo tired of winning!
Posted on 10/27/17 at 9:00 pm to LSU Fan 90812
So if Hillary gets indicted, and Trump pardons her, we can expect NY to file charges, right ?
Posted on 10/27/17 at 9:02 pm to Sid in Lakeshore
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Take a deep breath there man. Several of the charges that I have seen mentioned are NOT STATE CHARGES.
money laundering is a pretty convenient one. it's federal because it's regarding federal currency. it's state because it's happening within a state jurisdiction. that'll be enough.
what if it's podesta AND manafort?
Posted on 10/27/17 at 9:02 pm to Lsupimp
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So if Hillary gets indicted, and Trump pardons her, we can expect NY to file charges, right ?
You seem confused.
Anyhow, gonna be interesting to see where this goes.
Posted on 10/27/17 at 9:03 pm to LSU Fan 90812
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i'm just trying to figure out how and why people think Democrats are after Trump. And Republicans are after Trump. But it's mostly the Dems?
I will take a shot at this. I have no faith in elected officials. I think they are all corrupted. I don't see Trump as some white knight figures (double entendra intended). He has that outsider appeal and he isn't beholden to anyone or "in" it for the money.
That said I think he is brand building and trying to take family to next level Kennedy style. So not in it for money is wishful thinking.
I honestly think some of his ideas are terrible, but at least they aren't bought and paid for.
My example would be healthcare for years we have been told how terrible it is, but they had no plan. That isn't an accident - money is somehow tied to status quo pieces.
Posted on 10/27/17 at 9:03 pm to Lsupimp
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So if Hillary gets indicted, and Trump pardons her, we can expect NY to file charges, right ?
well i think that would depend on where hillary was based during the campaign now wouldn't it? or the site of whatever crimes you guys think she committed. so if you think mueller is investigating hillary, then he would be coordinating with that states attorney general.
Posted on 10/27/17 at 9:03 pm to Volatile
And people should probably read up on the concept of Dual Sovereignty.
Posted on 10/27/17 at 9:05 pm to thelawnwranglers
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I will take a shot at this. I have no faith in elected officials. I think they are all corrupted. I don't see Trump as some white knight figures (double entendra intended). He has that outsider appeal and he isn't beholden to anyone or "in" it for the money.
That said I think he is brand building and trying to take family to next level Kennedy style. So not in it for money is wishful thinking.
I honestly think some of his ideas are terrible, but at least they aren't bought and paid for.
My example would be healthcare for years we have been told how terrible it is, but they had no plan. That isn't an accident - money is somehow tied to status quo pieces.
That's an exceptionally good take. I agree.
Posted on 10/27/17 at 9:05 pm to Volatile
I tried, bro, but I was called a libtard :(
I even provided a link and everything
I even provided a link and everything
Posted on 10/27/17 at 9:05 pm to LSU Fan 90812
quote:There have been articles on how Mueller is trying to make it as difficult as possible for anyone that may be convicted to just walk because Trump is a hack
it is much more likely that their coordination is in place to prevent the very pardon that Leaf was talking about.
Posted on 10/27/17 at 9:07 pm to Volatile
No just pointing out the appearance of a pardon on the federal level followed by an indictment on the State level. Not that I think it’s wrong as a matter of law or even political philosophy, but just pretty crass on a partisan political level.
Posted on 10/27/17 at 9:07 pm to boosiebadazz
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Yes, two separate governments that can each charge you with crimes. President can only pardon on one level which would leave you exposed on the state level.
This is all well and good but they have to have violated a state law. You cant just dream one up.
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