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re: C'mon Churches. This should not just be a political issue. We are talking about CHILDREN!!
Posted on 7/13/23 at 9:07 am to SlowFlowPro
Posted on 7/13/23 at 9:07 am to SlowFlowPro
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And now we get to see how to attack via re-defined/vague terms
At first they came for the Catholics, and I did not speak out, because I wasn't Catholic...
Yes, his veiled message here is: "The Catholics and the Globalists are working together to keep the US borders open and flood the USA with illegal immigrants."
Why the veiled message, Bass Tiger? Start a separate thread on this topic. It is worthy of a separate conversation.
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Posted on 7/13/23 at 9:09 am to Mike da Tigah
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They aren’t silent. Christianity is very much on the frontline of every bit of this fight.
You are so turned around on this it’s hard not to laugh.
Do you have any idea how many billions of dollars the major churches in America make helping to facilitate trafficking at the border?
They get paid by the head to place these illegals in their “homes”.
The problem of course being that some exorbitant percentage of the women and girls are sexually assaulted, forced into prostitution to pay the coyotes who helped them cross or held by the cartels who control the border crossing once they get into the US.
Over 150k unaccompanied minors made it across the border that we’re aware of and the churches are cleaning up financially as a result.
According to Catholic Charities they assisted 237k illegals last year alone. As of 2019 65% of their annual budget came from Federal aid and over a 7 year period (2012-2019) they collected $1.6B from the feds for immigrant services. I can’t find 2022 numbers but illegals have skyrocketed since 2019 so the new number would be much higher.
Catholic Charities USA - By the numbers
Catholic Aid Group Collects $1.6B in immigrant related aid
Posted on 7/13/23 at 9:09 am to Champagne
quote:"And are active participants in trafficking children for the sex trade."
his veiled message here is: "The Catholics and the Globalists are working together to keep the US borders open and flood the USA with illegal immigrants."
Posted on 7/13/23 at 9:14 am to jrodLSUke
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Catholic charities usually rank very high
Your prior link is to "Catholic Relief Services" and your subsequent link is to "Catholic Charities" for San Fran
Not the same. I don't mean to denigrate these charities but I do wonder about what specifically has been accomplish and what are their goals
ETA: see above - are they making money by helping illegal children get placed? I actually know of people crossing the border and being placed in Florida thru the actions of various church groups
This post was edited on 7/13/23 at 9:17 am
Posted on 7/13/23 at 9:15 am to Champagne
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his veiled message here is: "The Catholics and the Globalists
No the Catholics ARE the "Globalists"
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It is worthy of a separate conversation.
"They" have become big fans of the "at least it started a conversation" mantra.
Posted on 7/13/23 at 9:18 am to Champagne
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They are on an active DAILY campaign to bash Catholics and the Roman Catholic Faith.
Yep, I see it a lot on this site. It's interesting to see the same people who complain that the US Media is trying to divide us, then those same people reference the US Media to spread their anti-Catholic message.
Posted on 7/13/23 at 9:22 am to jrodLSUke
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Yep, I see it a lot on this site. It's interesting to see the same people who complain that the US Media is trying to divide us, then those same people reference the US Media to spread their anti-Catholic message.
Because their only real purpose is redefining their in/out group dynamic and repeating NPC talking points within that "in" echo chamber. It both galvanizes their perception of the "in group" (via the repetition and submission to the collective talking points) and the "out group" (by marginalizing themselves, it strengthens their belief that everyone outside of their submissive collective are evil). It's cult shite.
Y'all are about 2 pages away from being labeled some pejorative (Satanist, pedo, etc.) for not bowing down to every crazy belief they have.
This post was edited on 7/13/23 at 9:24 am
Posted on 7/13/23 at 9:26 am to SlowFlowPro
The founder is LDS, and LDSLiving did a story on Ballard and OUR, but it’s a separate 501c3. If you have some dislike for the Church of Latter Day Saints, you should choose another charity
Posted on 7/13/23 at 9:32 am to dukkbill
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The founder is LDS, and LDSLiving did a story on Ballard and OUR, but it’s a separate 501c3.
Many religious charities have separate organizational structures than the religion they are associated with.
Ballard's group is a Mormon-based group. It's not secular and has not ever been so. Hell, the only reason the group became anything was because of national promotion by fellow Mormon Glenn Beck.
After this surge in donations decreases once this movie is out of the zeitgeist, it will return to an almost exclusively Mormon operation/funding.
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If you have some dislike for the Church of Latter Day Saints, you should choose another charity
No, I appreciate their ability to be non-Christians in a Christian-dominated society. But they are still a religion and are still the backbone of Ballard and his organization, making it non-secular.
Posted on 7/13/23 at 9:32 am to Timeoday
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The "Johnson Amendment" that Churches like to hide behind has no teeth. The IRS does not enforce it.
So why are the Churches so silent on this issue?
I'm not sure why you keep ignoring the other poster that keeps giving you proof of the church fighting trafficking...
Posted on 7/13/23 at 9:38 am to dafif
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How much money does the Catholic Church actually provide to this charity since the Catholic Church only exist on donations given by others
LINK
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But the Catholic Church is more than a spiritual institution. Apparently using “the strategy of non-coercive power” (Deus Vult: The Geopolitics of the Catholic Church, 2010), the Church runs 5,500 hospitals, 18,000 clinics, 16,000 homes for the elderly and those with special needs, with 65 percent of them located in underdeveloped and developing countries.
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Consider Caritas, the confederation of Catholic aid agencies that spent billions of dollars for poor humanity. Then sum up all the small-scale charitable projects of more than 200,000 Catholic parishes around the world and those of individual religious orders such as the Franciscans, Jesuits, Dominicans, Opus Dei, Vincentians, and others.
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Around 4,500 Missionary Sisters of Charity (founded in 1950 by Mother Teresa) care for hundreds of thousands of poor refugees, mentally ill, the aged and convalescent, sick and abandoned children, lepers, and people with AIDS – in addition to running schools to educate street children and managing soup kitchens around the world.
“The Church, adhering to the mandate of Jesus… during the course of her history, which by now has lasted two millennia, has always attended to the sick and the suffering,” reported the Pontifical Council for the Pastoral Care of Health Care Workers in 2013.
Immersed and yet transcendent, rooted on earth and yet yearning for heaven, the Church does not have all the technical solutions to the problems afflicting the world, Benedict XVI admitted in 2009, days after the G8 Summit in Italy, but she remains “an expert in humanity” who proclaims the Gospel of love and justice.
Short list of Catholic Charities
Google search of multiple catholic charities to stop human trafficking
Posted on 7/13/23 at 9:41 am to tide06
This is a fairer criticism. I don’t agree that these churches are “cleaning up” or that they operate on a pure profit motive. Nevertheless, whether it’s the state or a private charity, you do need to seek financing for your operation. Therefore, you don’t turn away public funds
You rightly point out the unintended consequence. The policy initiatives and charitable purpose implementations has led to unintended and counterproductive consequences. The drive to provide humanitarian relief has created an immigration disaster and excerbated the trafficking problem. We should focus on different immigration policy rather than try to band aid existing policy
Likewise, working with charities to try and account for these problems would be in my opinion good efforts
I do think this awareness is helpful. While I vehemently disagree with those who are doing the OMG and muh Satan for pure contrarian purposes, I do share one implicit agreement with their point. When we have awareness, many people will (justifiably) throw money to a known charity, while there may be more impact in donations to extant charities with boots in the ground (e.g. Redcross v PartnersInHealth during Haiti)
You rightly point out the unintended consequence. The policy initiatives and charitable purpose implementations has led to unintended and counterproductive consequences. The drive to provide humanitarian relief has created an immigration disaster and excerbated the trafficking problem. We should focus on different immigration policy rather than try to band aid existing policy
Likewise, working with charities to try and account for these problems would be in my opinion good efforts
I do think this awareness is helpful. While I vehemently disagree with those who are doing the OMG and muh Satan for pure contrarian purposes, I do share one implicit agreement with their point. When we have awareness, many people will (justifiably) throw money to a known charity, while there may be more impact in donations to extant charities with boots in the ground (e.g. Redcross v PartnersInHealth during Haiti)
Posted on 7/13/23 at 9:42 am to dukkbill
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If you have some dislike for the Church of Latter Day Saints, you should choose another charity
Best neighbors you can ever have
Legit good people
Most of the tour companies in AK recruit SLC heavily and prefer Morman employees.
Posted on 7/13/23 at 10:13 am to dukkbill
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This is a fairer criticism. I don’t agree that these churches are “cleaning up” or that they operate on a pure profit motive. Nevertheless, whether it’s the state or a private charity, you do need to seek financing for your operation. Therefore, you don’t turn away public funds
65% of their revenue was related to illegal immigration.
$1.6B that I was able to find and that’s before Biden cut the nuts off the border patrol and opened the flood gates.
We can have a theological argument as to whether Jesus would want them to help those that arrive and I’m sympathetic, but I’m not buying the “aww shucks” argument when it comes to how their bread is buttered.
Their membership is down, they’ve been hammered with lawsuits and much like an actual business with a troubled business model that finds a government contract this is probably keeping these entities solvent in many cases. They will 100% temper their messaging with that kind of money on the table especially when the illegals just happen to be heavily Catholic.
It’s not just the Catholics, I think the Lutherans were either #1 or #2 in aid received.
Posted on 7/13/23 at 11:56 am to roadGator
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My church funds a group of operators that do what others won’t. Take back children by force.
roadGator that is something I could get behind and involved in.
This post was edited on 7/13/23 at 12:02 pm
Posted on 7/13/23 at 12:56 pm to Champagne
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Maybe you don't "hate" the Roman Catholic Faith, but, the fact that you JUDGED the Catholics before you did ANY research shows that you are PREJUDICED.
I did not judge any religion. The reason I point to the Pope is because I realize just how much power he represents over any political body.
Please, if there is a more powerful human entity in this world, please let me know. Whomever it is must stand up and deliver a very strong message!!
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