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Climate change policy is serious and is solely about the climate

Posted on 12/27/19 at 9:46 am
Posted by SlowFlowPro
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Posted on 12/27/19 at 9:46 am
The Nation: If we want to keep cities safe in the face of climate change, we need to seriously question the ideal of private homeownership.

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Fires have dominated the California news cycle in the past, as the dry season dragged into October and the Santa Ana winds started to blow. But this fall seemed different. In the wake of November 2018’s Camp Fire—the deadliest, most destructive fire in the state’s history, killing at least 85 people—we entered what might be considered a year of climate change awareness, bookended by the news that we may only have a dozen years to contain global warming and the Global Climate Strike this September. News accounts about wildfires have taken on even greater urgency. As many commentators have noted, the changing climate and ongoing deficiencies in the regulation and management of utility companies present a new, dreadful normal.


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But few are discussing one key aspect of California’s crisis: Yes, climate change intensifies the fires—but the ways in which we plan and develop our cities makes them even more destructive. The growth of urban regions in the second half of the 20th century has been dominated by economic development, aspirations of home ownership, and belief in the importance of private property. Cities and towns have expanded in increasingly disperse fashion, fueled by cheap energy. Infrastructure has been built, deregulated, and privatized, extending services in more and more tenuous and fragile ways. Our ideas about what success, comfort, home, and family should look like are so ingrained, it’s hard for us to see how they could be reinforcing the very conditions that put us at such grave risk.


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There are other options, in theory: Rental housing serves many cities around the world well, although we should be wary about perpetuating the power of landlords in this country without delinking ownership from wealth creation. There has been resurgent interest in government-planned and -built public housing, including recent legislation proposed by Ilhan Omar, Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez, and Bernie Sanders that would shore up and invigorate the federal system. The Green New Deal invokes prior eras of government intervention, lending itself to revitalized thinking about the social value of public goods.

There is also the potential for new or reconstituted forms of cooperative housing. In New York City, cooperative apartment buildings have long been a norm. These kinds of ownership structures have often been deprioritized in federal housing subsidy programs and discouraged by standard lending practices in many regions. It is, by regulatory design, hard to do anything not consistent with the status quo. Community land trusts—nonprofit, community-based land ownership, with housing units that are typically leased in perpetual affordable status—are a promising model. There are now more than 240 community land trusts in the United States, and they are increasingly part of the consideration for those pursuing a more affordable and less market-reliant alternative. (Bernie Sanders, as mayor of Burlington, Vermont, was an early champion of the idea.) The idea of cooperative living—in both financial and social terms—needs room to breathe and grow.
Posted by Ace Midnight
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Posted on 12/27/19 at 9:47 am to
Global Marxism movement disguised as environmentalism is still Marxist.

Shocked, I tell ya.
Posted by burdhead
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Posted on 12/27/19 at 9:47 am to
these people are seriously wanting to eat some lead and not from a paint can either
Posted by Smeg
Member since Aug 2018
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Posted on 12/27/19 at 9:52 am to
Make no mistake. This is exactly what the leftists (communists) want for you and your family:



Everyone in old Soviet style apartment blocks.

"Utopia" is "equal misery for everyone" to the left.
This post was edited on 12/27/19 at 9:53 am
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
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Posted on 12/27/19 at 9:52 am to
CC is just being used as a Trojan horse by marxists.

"The issue is never the issue. The issue is always the revolution."
This post was edited on 12/27/19 at 9:53 am
Posted by Powerman
Member since Jan 2004
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Posted on 12/27/19 at 9:53 am to
Without property rights we don't have an economy or any semblance of a free society


Posted by kingbob
Sorrento, LA
Member since Nov 2010
67126 posts
Posted on 12/27/19 at 9:55 am to
No private property is the end goal of Marxism. No economy is the way government gets said property. If you can’t do anything with your property, then you won’t have any issues with turning it over to the state to avoid paying taxes on it.

The goal of Marxism is the least free society one could imagine
This post was edited on 12/27/19 at 9:57 am
Posted by Powerman
Member since Jan 2004
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Posted on 12/27/19 at 10:00 am to
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This ideological geography keeps playing out in devastating and contradictory ways. Climate change generally impacts the poorest and most vulnerable people first. In Los Angeles, we see the impacts of increased heat on homeless people, the elderly, and the very young; in New York, some public housing residents must still rely on temporary boilers seven years after Hurricane Sandy. But in the Saddleridge Fire, the homes at risk were not those of residents pushed beyond the urban fringe.


This is just sillyness

Poor people will always have it tougher, with or without any sort of climate change.

And the temperature in L.A. is pretty comfortable. I doubt the homeless are worried about getting too hot in L.A. of all places.
Posted by Pechon
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Posted on 12/27/19 at 10:02 am to
These people are begging for a helicopter ride.

Posted by Ace Midnight
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Member since Dec 2006
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Posted on 12/27/19 at 10:03 am to
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"Utopia" is "equal misery for everyone" to the left.



Except for the "elite" of course, and useful idiots like Cenk and AOC think they will be part of that elite.


They will not be.
Posted by TrueTiger
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Posted on 12/27/19 at 10:05 am to
So they want to have the right to housing, but not the right to own property?

Posted by SOSFAN
Blythewood
Member since Jun 2018
12233 posts
Posted on 12/27/19 at 10:07 am to
Why is taking California so long to fall off and sink in the damn ocean?

If they want government intervention then I say start with the Federal government taking over California. The melt from Trump ending their stupid laws would be epic.
Posted by SantaFe
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Member since Apr 2019
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Posted on 12/27/19 at 10:13 am to
BullShite, "climate change" did not cause wildfires,poor forest management did. Single home ownership is one of the foundations of our Republic. Someone is advocating for a hot civil war. I need to polish my shotgun shells.
Posted by Vacherie Saint
Member since Aug 2015
39509 posts
Posted on 12/27/19 at 10:14 am to
I’m glad you’ve finally acknowledged that climate change is just another in a long line of dooms day prophecies leftists have used to foist Marxism on an unwilling population.
Posted by SlowFlowPro
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Member since Jan 2004
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Posted on 12/27/19 at 10:15 am to
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Without property rights we don't have an economy or any semblance of a free society

i've argued before that property rights are much more important to a free society than any other right (like speech, etc)

"the right to life" is esoteric and not tactile enough, and if the state becomes authoritarian then it won't matter anyway
Posted by Vacherie Saint
Member since Aug 2015
39509 posts
Posted on 12/27/19 at 10:16 am to
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So they want to have the right to housing, but not the right to own property?


Can’t own a place to live, but state funded sex reassignment surgeries and abortions are a fundamental human right.
Posted by Powerman
Member since Jan 2004
162231 posts
Posted on 12/27/19 at 10:16 am to
With regards to the fires over there the more logical thing to do would say that no future housing developments will be insurable and it will be considered an area that is not inhabitable

This is no different than advising people don't live in a flood plain or basin which has the potential to be flooded opening a spillway

Live there at your own risk with no right to be insured or any expectation of emergency rescue
This post was edited on 12/27/19 at 10:18 am
Posted by BestBanker
Member since Nov 2011
17484 posts
Posted on 12/27/19 at 10:17 am to
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Without property rights, freedom of assembly, freedom to travel, freedom to speak, freedom from religious persecution, and gun ownership we don't have an economy or any semblance of a free society


Just added some more to your already strong post.
Posted by kingbob
Sorrento, LA
Member since Nov 2010
67126 posts
Posted on 12/27/19 at 10:19 am to
Once again, that’s the point. Marxists manufacture crisis and then propose incremental socialism as the solution. They never fix anything, just keep making things worse on purpose to further push everything to collapse. It is an ideological and economic cancer, a completely evil ideology that knows only destruction and pain, yet somehow, those means are justified by the end result which can never be reached
Posted by Powerman
Member since Jan 2004
162231 posts
Posted on 12/27/19 at 10:20 am to
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i've argued before that property rights are much more important to a free society than any other right (like speech, etc)

You could probably make a much more competent argument than me because of your understanding of the law but property rights really are the linchpin of a free society. Without it any object or paper asset that you own is subject to confiscation at any time via the force of government.
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