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re: Climate change policy is serious and is solely about the climate
Posted on 12/27/19 at 12:14 pm to Smeg
Posted on 12/27/19 at 12:14 pm to Smeg
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"Utopia" is "equal misery for everyone" to the left.
The comical part is people will always see themselves as not actually part of it. I've talked to many a hard lib/socialist, and they always think they'll be the ones skipping the bread likes. Good for thee, not for me.
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Posted on 12/27/19 at 12:26 pm to SlowFlowPro
quote:How obvious does it have to be?
and belief in the importance of private property.
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Infrastructure has been built, deregulated, and privatized,
Posted on 12/27/19 at 12:34 pm to SlowFlowPro
I’ve said it another thread that there is no doubt in my mind that before 2030 that the abolishment of private home and land ownership will be official democrat party policy.
Posted on 12/27/19 at 12:39 pm to SlowFlowPro
My dad used to call the environmentalists watermelons.
Green on the outside.
Red on the inside.
Green on the outside.
Red on the inside.
Posted on 12/27/19 at 12:39 pm to SlowFlowPro
Also the hidden gem of cheap available energy being the enemy too. True colors all over the place.
Posted on 12/27/19 at 12:42 pm to kingbob
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That would be understandable and reasonable, but that’s not what this is about. Marxism is pushed by Marxists who tend to be petty people that hate their parents. They generally were raised in affluent suburbs and moved to large cities where they pretend to be poor. Because they hate their parents and the place they grew up, they see suburbs as the root of all evil and want them eradicated.
Everything Marxists rage against is rooted in what they hate about their parents or themselves. They hate religion because their parents made them go to church. They hate sports because their parents made them participate. They hate traditional gender roles because their mothers forced them to get dressed up and go to the school dance when they didn’t have a date.
Communism is how they get back at their parents.
You know there is some truth in what you say. I say this as an older Socialist. The millennial socialism is about pissing off their parents. Also they are resentful of not having the standard of living they wish to have so they become resentful socialists.
I'd rather socialists be socialists out of concern for their fellow humans instead of getting back at their parents. We don't see true poverty in the US that inspired people in Russian and China to become socialist. We need a socialist movement that is driven by compassion instead of resentment.
This post was edited on 12/27/19 at 12:44 pm
Posted on 12/27/19 at 12:50 pm to Ralph_Wiggum
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We need a socialist movement
We don't NEED a socialist movement at all. You want socialism, move to a country that is socialist. Then, when you are begging to come back home in a couple of months, maybe, just maybe we might let you.
Posted on 12/27/19 at 12:52 pm to SSpaniel
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We don't NEED a socialist movement at all. You want socialism, move to a country that is socialist. Then, when you are begging to come back home in a couple of months, maybe, just maybe we might let you.
We don't want to move. As Americans we are within our constitutional rights to advocate for a socialist United States.
Posted on 12/27/19 at 12:57 pm to Ralph_Wiggum
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We need a socialist movement that is driven by compassion instead of resentment.
Unfortunately for sincere socialists like yourself (and I mean that sincerely, unironically and not as a derogation), the best "compassion" is to actually continue to push capitalism. Capitalism is the most compassionate solution possible - as it has lifted billions from abject, stone age poverty to a reasonably modern standard of living in less than a century.
Most global socialist movements are either purely Marxist or Marxist-Leninist in philosophy - one rooted deeply in resentment as you admit.
Even your (presumably Scandinavian/Western European) socialism model is rooted in inferiority, fear and class warfare, albeit more benign.
Capitalism is rooted in individual capacity and human dignity that the government should never do what a man ought to do for himself and his family and should only do those things a government must.
This philosophy has only succeeded in producing the greatest advance of wealth, comfort and prosperity the world has ever known.
Posted on 12/27/19 at 1:00 pm to Ralph_Wiggum
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As Americans we are within our constitutional rights to advocate for a socialist United States.
This is absolutely 100% correct. Now, why do we "need" a socialist USA?
Posted on 12/27/19 at 1:03 pm to Speckhunter2012
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Good article on that from 16 years ago:
Excellent read. Amazing that was 16 yrs ago.
From the man that brought you "The Andromeda Strain" and "Jurassic Park"....
Posted on 12/27/19 at 1:05 pm to Ralph_Wiggum
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We don't want to move. As Americans we are within our constitutional rights to advocate for a socialist United States.
Most of what Bernie preaches isn't even socialist. It's just more big government, nanny state programs.
Sorry you are poor.
Posted on 12/27/19 at 1:06 pm to kingbob
quote:Maybe a bit, but most marxist philosophy seems to stem from deadbeats' inability to pay their rent. Those are the most common analogies I see them use - landlord analogies.
Marxists who tend to be petty people that hate their parents.
Posted on 12/27/19 at 1:08 pm to Ralph_Wiggum
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As Americans we are within our constitutional rights to advocate for a socialist United States.
You’re absolutely correct that you have the right to advocate for any system you want. A right you very could possibly lose under socialism.
Posted on 12/27/19 at 1:08 pm to SlowFlowPro
The people pushing that propaganda need to eat a bullet.
Posted on 12/27/19 at 1:09 pm to Loungefly85
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You’re absolutely correct that you have the right to advocate for any system you want. A right you very could possibly lose under socialism.
I will never understand the mindset of people that want more government control over our lives. It's simply mind boggling to me.
This post was edited on 12/27/19 at 1:10 pm
Posted on 12/27/19 at 1:09 pm to Powerman
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Without property rights we don't have an economy or any semblance of a free society
This is a fascinating idea in libertarian philosophy.
All rights are property rights. Rape and murder are against the law because they are violations of property rights.
Your primary property is ownership of yourself. If someone kills you or rapes you it is a property crime.
Free speech that pisses you off does not violate your ownership of self, so laws restricting free speech are unjustified in a free society.
Posted on 12/27/19 at 1:10 pm to blueboy
Definitely a big part of it. Economics of people in the service industry who refuse to acquire more relevant skills while bitching about how capitalism doesn’t let them afford their trendy neighborhood walk-up are the types who accuse the solution for the problem and propose more of the problem as the solution. Except for Baton Rouge, because our crazy high rent prices make zero sense. There’s a massive glut of unfilled apts with new ones going up constantly, yet prices only increase. It’s absolutely baffling.
Posted on 12/27/19 at 1:13 pm to Ralph_Wiggum
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I say this as an older Socialist.
The day that you die, the world will be a better place.
You’re scum.
Posted on 12/27/19 at 1:13 pm to kingbob
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Except for Baton Rouge, because our crazy high rent prices make zero sense. There’s a massive glut of unfilled apts with new ones going up constantly, yet prices only increase. It’s absolutely baffling.
In BR you pay to not be too close to the hood. What does a decent 2 BR apartment run these days? I haven't rented in 15 years or so.
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