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re: Clarence Thomas Wants SCOTUS to 'Correct the Error' of Legal Gay Marriage
Posted on 6/27/22 at 10:36 am to Diamondawg
Posted on 6/27/22 at 10:36 am to Diamondawg
quote:Exactly. Marriage is an institution that pre-dates our country, isn’t even discussed the Constitution and isn’t really in the purview of the Court. I mean, such a crazy notion as men marrying each other was not even fathomable by our Founding Fathers, or anyone.
This is where I am confused. Marriage is not defined in the constitution so how can it be redefined?
But five justices of our Supreme Court, in all their infinite wisdom, was so much smarter than millennia of civilization and just up and redefined marriage in 2015.
Legal basis? Love is Love!
Scalia was basically apoplectic. His dissent was a slam dunk on the majority’s opinions.
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Posted on 6/27/22 at 10:44 am to TDFreak
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I mean, such a crazy notion as men marrying each other was not even fathomable by our Founding Fathers...
The emancipation of African slaves imported and sold on auction blocks in the colonies and in new Southern territories wasn't something contemplated by the Founding Fathers, either, because they owned them as property.
This "states rights" argument is always a slippery slope and subjects some Americans to the whims of the majority in their states. That never ends well.
Posted on 6/27/22 at 10:45 am to Tantal
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I give precisely zero fricks about gay marriage one way or the other. I just want Federal overreach to stop and for these issues to go back to the states where they belong.
This ^^^^^^^^^^^^ !
Posted on 6/27/22 at 10:46 am to TDFreak
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was so much smarter than millennia of civilization and just up and redefined marriage in 2015.
“Something something why is the gate there something something.”
-Chesterton
Posted on 6/27/22 at 10:50 am to dcbl
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but the definition of marriage should not be forced by the feds
I posted it here a long time ago. My problem is how the left co-opts language. I was gay when young because 'gay' meant happy. There was even a song 'When I was young and gay.'
So, if gays wanta commit to a union that's fine with me. But use a different name. Make one up. Call it ooogi-boogi.
Posted on 6/27/22 at 10:51 am to dcbl
As a born-again Christian let me say this. "Marriage" is a legal construct. Getting "married" is nothing more than entering into a contractual partnership. What homosexual couples cannot do is enter into Holy matrimony which a covenant blessed by God.
Posted on 6/27/22 at 10:51 am to TDFreak
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Marriage is an institution that pre-dates our country, isn’t even discussed the Constitution and isn’t really in the purview of the Court. I mean, such a crazy notion as men marrying each other was not even fathomable by our Founding Fathers, or anyone.
But five justices of our Supreme Court, in all their infinite wisdom, was so much smarter than millennia of civilization and just up and redefined marriage in 2015.
Did states even issue marriage licenses during the time of the founders? I imagine that would be the most shocking part to them.
Posted on 6/27/22 at 10:52 am to dcbl
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the definition of marriage should not be forced by the feds
The definition should not be forced by any government institution.
It’s none of their business who gets married. Straight or gay. It’s really none of yours either.
Posted on 6/27/22 at 10:55 am to sawtooth
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It’s really none of yours either.
So the schools don’t need to teach my kid about gay marriage with that logic. And I agree.
Posted on 6/27/22 at 10:56 am to Tantal
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I give precisely zero fricks about gay marriage one way or the other. I just want Federal overreach to stop and for these issues to go back to the states where they belong.
I couldn't agree more with how you worded that.
What is Clarence trying to say, anyway? That we don't live in a land of freedom where we can do what we want until what we do infringes on someone else's rights?
America is the land of the FREE. Or it's supposed to be. It will be telling to see how many people on the right get behind Clarence on this.
Anyone should be free to marry whoever they want, or have a legal union recognized by the state. Government cannot restrict pastors/priests that perform the ceremony. God, if he exists, is the only one that can decide if a marriage is blessed/sanctified.
It is highly unbecoming of Americans to want ANYONE to not have proper rights.
Posted on 6/27/22 at 10:57 am to Fun Bunch
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Now, if States get out of the marriage game all together, that's another ball game.
This is the way. Imagine allowing a group of people to tell you who you can spend your life with.
Posted on 6/27/22 at 11:28 am to Jack Bauers HnK
The Bible is the guide for living my christian faith.
It has jack to do with state marriage contracts.
It has jack to do with state marriage contracts.
Posted on 6/27/22 at 11:40 am to dcbl
Posted on 6/27/22 at 11:54 am to dcbl
quote:Negative!
Clarence Thomas Wants SCOTUS to 'Correct the Error' of Legal Gay Marriage
Clarence Thomas Wants to 'Correct the Error' of SCOTUS legislating from the bench that Gay Marriage is a right. Thomas correctly expects Congress to make that call.
Congress should take up the challenge while it still enjoys 'protection' of the SCOTUS precedent.
Dems won't go there for the same reason they'd not do it for Dreamers or Abortion. They prefer the politics of screaming about an issue instead of solving it. They recognize their constituents are too stupid to recognize the tactic.
Posted on 6/27/22 at 12:00 pm to LSUnation78
Have you not seen the lawsuits that were brought against churches and other religious venues in liberal NE areas that do not allow same sex marriages? The same sex couples won all of the lawsuits I am aware of. The activists absolutely do want to force all churches to marry them.
Posted on 6/27/22 at 12:12 pm to Diamondawg
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This is where I am confused. Marriage is not defined in the constitution so how can it be redefined?
You can be obtuse all you like. "Marriage", at least in the West had a reasonably consistent definition of marriage since the fall of the Roman Empire or before.
And, you raise a good point - since marriage and family law are both absent from the text of the Constitution AND traditionally the purview of the States, then it should have been left to State law to define. Add to that the Tenth Amendment and that's where it should have stayed.
Gays and lesbians were not denied the right to enter into opposite sex marriage in any State, as far as I know. Redefining marriage should have been more than an afterthought.
Civil unions should have been the answer. Traditional marriage (which admittedly isn't honored by many heterosexual couples) deserved to be protected.
Posted on 6/27/22 at 12:23 pm to m2pro
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It is highly unbecoming of Americans to want ANYONE to not have proper rights.
It's very persuasive with the all caps thing, but you act as if we all agree on what proper rights we have.
Posted on 6/27/22 at 12:26 pm to dcbl
Thomas has been going in dry lately. Glad to see a conservative with balls
Posted on 6/27/22 at 12:28 pm to LSUnation78
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Some states have old laws on the books that make sodomy illegal, even if between consenting adults. I believe that is what its referring to. Louisiana is one of those states if memory serves correctly.
Been quite a while since I served. While in the military, the UCMJ laughed at all those states. Had to be male and female and the only accepted position was the military, I mean missionary position.
Posted on 6/27/22 at 12:39 pm to the808bass
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So the schools don’t need to teach my kid about gay marriage with that logic.
Yes. I don’t think they should.
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