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re: City of Houston demands pastors turn over sermons
Posted on 10/14/14 at 6:10 pm to Roger Klarvin
Posted on 10/14/14 at 6:10 pm to Roger Klarvin
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Would you trust an article from a tansgender writer with factual flaws claiming the pastors WERE involved?
If five other articles said the same thing on the point in question, I probably would.
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Posted on 10/14/14 at 6:11 pm to genro
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What I learned is that Roger supports religious persecution.
Fortunately, I have an extensive history of supporting religious freedom on this board and calling people who ACTUALLY support such things (like Rex and tuba) dipshits that disproves this claim of yours.
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the persecutors have a good reason and the persecuted really are religious. He really didn't make any other points
It's hard to call this anything other than a straight up lie.
Posted on 10/14/14 at 6:11 pm to TexasTiger89
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City of Houston demands pastors turn over sermonsquote:The city of Houston has issued subpoenas demanding a group of pastors turn over any sermons dealing with homosexuality, gender identity or Annise Parker, the city’s first openly lesbian mayor. And those ministers who fail to comply could be held in contempt of court.
No way in hell this is legal
Posted on 10/14/14 at 6:12 pm to the808bass
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He has some religious angst.
Again, I have sided with religious people in dozens of threads on this board. I have sided with you PERSONALLY many times.
This is incredibly disingenuous of you.
Posted on 10/14/14 at 6:13 pm to TexasTiger89
If they were anything other than Pastors, I would suggest that they tell that dyke to frick off.
Posted on 10/14/14 at 6:13 pm to Roger Klarvin
Your argument that religious harassment isn't a violation of religious freedom because it doesn't fully succeed in court isn't all that convincing. I suspect you realize this the longer you post ITT.
Posted on 10/14/14 at 6:17 pm to the808bass
It appears that they didn't include Muslims.
That's odd.
That's odd.
Posted on 10/14/14 at 6:17 pm to the808bass
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Your argument that religious harassment isn't a violation of religious freedom because it doesn't fully succeed in court isn't all that convincing.
Again, a legal subpoena with precedence cannot BY DEFINITION constitute religious harassment. You are essentially arguing that being summoned by a court is illegal because the judge issuing the summon doesn't like you personally. If the summon itself is legal, his actual intent matters not.
Posted on 10/14/14 at 6:19 pm to Roger Klarvin
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Again, a legal subpoena with precedence cannot BY DEFINITION constitute religious harassment. You are essentially arguing that being summoned by a court is illegal because the judge issuing the summon doesn't like you personally. If the summon itself is legal, his actual intent matters not.
Leaving out the fact that the government is the one asking for the subpoena makes your position sound better than it actually is.
Posted on 10/14/14 at 6:19 pm to TrueTiger
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It appears that they didn't include Muslims.
Because Muslims don't frick around. If people were afraid that crossing Christians would result in car bombings and beheadings, they'd be off limits to.
Note: I am thankful Christians are not doing such things
Posted on 10/14/14 at 6:20 pm to TexasTiger89
I don't know what the ins and outs of the city government and its relationship with the church is, but the right to be tax exempt and say whatever you please is not a right protected by the Constitution.
Posted on 10/14/14 at 6:20 pm to Roger Klarvin
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Have the pastors already had their sermons taken by forced? Have they been punished for not turning them over? Has ANYTHING actually been done to forcibly make them hand over their sermons yet?
Ya got a pretty nice chuch heah, revrun. Hate to see anythang bad happin' to it.
If you park a police car around a predominately dem polling station...
Posted on 10/14/14 at 6:21 pm to TexasTiger89
WTF? There's no reason for this.
Posted on 10/14/14 at 6:21 pm to son of arlo
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Ya got a pretty nice chuch heah, revrun. Hate to see anythang bad happin' to it.
Posted on 10/14/14 at 6:25 pm to Roger Klarvin
Roger,
You know i love you. But, your position that the fact that the instrument (subpoena) is a "legal device" and therefore will 'all come out in the wash' provides cover for the targeting of these groups would prop up an IRS that would use an instrument (audit) that is legal and therefore 'all will come out in the wash' if it targets groups it dislikes.
The idea that a Gov agency is immune from "intent" problems because of a 'legal' tactic is frightening.
there is likely no poster on here that is more openly atheist and supportive of gay rights, etc than me. This group of pastors and their positions are the antithesis of MY beliefs. But, this action is repugnant.
You know i love you. But, your position that the fact that the instrument (subpoena) is a "legal device" and therefore will 'all come out in the wash' provides cover for the targeting of these groups would prop up an IRS that would use an instrument (audit) that is legal and therefore 'all will come out in the wash' if it targets groups it dislikes.
The idea that a Gov agency is immune from "intent" problems because of a 'legal' tactic is frightening.
there is likely no poster on here that is more openly atheist and supportive of gay rights, etc than me. This group of pastors and their positions are the antithesis of MY beliefs. But, this action is repugnant.
This post was edited on 10/14/14 at 6:27 pm
Posted on 10/14/14 at 6:25 pm to Roger Klarvin
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Again, a legal subpoena with precedence cannot BY DEFINITION constitute religious harassment.
I get what you are saying, but you do know what a SLAPP suit is, don't you?
Posted on 10/14/14 at 6:27 pm to TexasTiger89
I find this really hard to believe. I really hope there is more to this but the lesbian mayor is on her way out do to term limits, so I don't know what to think.
She's has done a solid job for the most part in Houston besides this dumb feel good legislation.
She's has done a solid job for the most part in Houston besides this dumb feel good legislation.
Posted on 10/14/14 at 6:34 pm to BlackHelicopterPilot
I don't disagree that the action is, as best, childish and at worst repugnant. I also think the lawsuit that it is in response to is a farce put forth by those who want a public platform to make it known how much they are disgusted by this bathroom issue.
Posted on 10/14/14 at 6:36 pm to Roger Klarvin
quote:Again, you're saying volation of religious freedom is okay if the religious people are idiots to you.
I also think the lawsuit that it is in response to is a farce put forth by those who want a public platform to make it known how much they are disgusted by this bathroom issue.
This post was edited on 10/14/14 at 6:37 pm
Posted on 10/14/14 at 6:36 pm to Roger Klarvin
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I don't disagree that the action is, as best, childish and at worst repugnant. I also think the lawsuit that it is in response to is a farce put forth by those who want a public platform to make it known how much they are disgusted by this bathroom issue.
That is like arresting ME because some "black dude" committed a crime.
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