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re: City of Houston demands pastors turn over sermons
Posted on 10/14/14 at 5:29 pm to Wolfhound45
Posted on 10/14/14 at 5:29 pm to Wolfhound45
quote:
And this does not indicate some degree of political intimidation?
Absolutely, but the question here is legality. This isn't a first amendment violation, no matter how much some want it to be.
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Posted on 10/14/14 at 5:29 pm to SammyTiger
The only place I've ever seen unisex bathrooms was in Holland. And, well,.... there are other things that go on in bathrooms besides the obvious. I've seen one too many women zip up outside the stall, adjust undergarments, etc. (don't want to get too graphic) It's unpleasant in a women's bathroom, let alone in a unisex one. I'd hate to see what happens on the other side!
Posted on 10/14/14 at 5:31 pm to conservativewifeymom
Pics?
Wait nm
Wait nm
Posted on 10/14/14 at 5:31 pm to Roger Klarvin
I'm sorry, but I've lost you. How exactly is it NOT a first amendment violation?
Posted on 10/14/14 at 5:31 pm to conservativewifeymom
quote:
The only place I've ever seen unisex bathrooms was in Holland. And, well,.... there are other things that go on in bathrooms besides the obvious. I've seen one too many women zip up outside the stall, adjust undergarments, etc. (don't want to get too graphic)
That happens in every nightclub's women's bathroom right NOW in every moderately sized city.
You have been married a while, no?
Posted on 10/14/14 at 5:32 pm to conservativewifeymom
quote:What do you think happens in the male bathrooms?
I'd hate to see what happens on the other side!
Posted on 10/14/14 at 5:33 pm to the808bass
quote:
You're completely predictable and illogical on all things religious.
I'm one of the few in this thread approaching this completely logically. You are letting your emotions cloud your judgement.
You are angry about the subpoena, and that was the response that it was supposed to get. However, the issue here isn't about how stupid or childish or intimidating this move is. The question here is the first amendment rights of the pastors and churches, which were not violated. No matter how distasteful you find this, there has been no infringement of rights here. When the subpoena gets thrown out and the city comes for their sermons anyway, then we'll talk.
Again, you are mistaking superficial absurdity for a rights violation. That isn't logical, its emotional.
This post was edited on 10/14/14 at 5:34 pm
Posted on 10/14/14 at 5:33 pm to BlackHelicopterPilot
Yeeeeesss, but what happens (and is seen) in the bedroom stays in the bedroom, and I have no stomach for any extracurricular viewings, so to speak.
Posted on 10/14/14 at 5:34 pm to Roger Klarvin
quote:
This isn't a first amendment violation...
It most certainly is. It is a deliberate attempt by an elected official to intimidate political opposition.
Posted on 10/14/14 at 5:35 pm to Scruffy
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What do you think happens in the male bathrooms?
shite happens, and no talking allowed.
Posted on 10/14/14 at 5:35 pm to conservativewifeymom
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and I have no stomach for any extracurricular viewings, so to speak.
you're missing out on all of the fun
Posted on 10/14/14 at 5:35 pm to conservativewifeymom
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How exactly is it NOT a first amendment violation?
Because if the pastors are in someway linked to the lawsuit, the subpoena is perfectly legal.
If they aren't, it will never be executed and will get tossed.
Unless the city/state plans on kicking down doors and taking the sermons up anyway, there wont be any first amendment violations here.
Posted on 10/14/14 at 5:35 pm to Vols&Shaft83
You're not supposed to talk?
O_o
O_o
Posted on 10/14/14 at 5:36 pm to BlackHelicopterPilot
quote:
he pastors are part of a coalition that opposes the bill. NOT a coalition that "sued".
I looked up the lawsuit...neither they nor their coalitions are part of the lawsuit. It's 4 individuals. This is overreach by the state and I would expect the subpoena to be squashed.
This post was edited on 10/14/14 at 5:37 pm
Posted on 10/14/14 at 5:37 pm to Roger Klarvin
ok, I understand! I guess intent is not a violation. Hmmmm!
Posted on 10/14/14 at 5:37 pm to Wolfhound45
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It is a deliberate attempt by an elected official to intimidate political opposition.
Using a legal precedent. By definition, intimidation must be done using illegal means. You cant be guilty of intimidation if the mechanism used for the intimidation is legal.
This is intimidation in practice, but legally it isn't.
This post was edited on 10/14/14 at 5:38 pm
Posted on 10/14/14 at 5:38 pm to Roger Klarvin
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When the subpoena gets thrown out and the city comes for their sermons anyway, then we'll talk.
None of what you said made sense. Keep plowing away.
Posted on 10/14/14 at 5:38 pm to conservativewifeymom
Klarvin agrees it's political intimidation.
He agress the churches and preachers are being targeted.
He agrees those churches and preachers aren't actually on the lawsuit.
Yet it is not impeding their free exercise of religion.
That's insanely irrational. I bet he believes the earth is only 6000 years old. What a nut
He agress the churches and preachers are being targeted.
He agrees those churches and preachers aren't actually on the lawsuit.
Yet it is not impeding their free exercise of religion.
That's insanely irrational. I bet he believes the earth is only 6000 years old. What a nut
Posted on 10/14/14 at 5:38 pm to FT
quote:
You're not supposed to talk?
No dude, unless it's at the pee trough, and it's halftime.
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